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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 January 2026
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

The direction of travel is to look for opportunities to simplify the landscape. To be clear, we do not see structural change as the first port of call. There is a lot that we can do before we get to structural change, including having co-operation between public bodies, the sharing of services and resources, removing duplication, working in clusters and so on. If that leads us to a place where structural reorganisation is the right answer for the broader public body landscape, we will move into that space. Where legislation is required to do that, we will take that forward. We do not start with that, however; we get to that once we have exhausted everything else.

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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

When you say “different functions”, do you mean different—

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

Absolutely.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

Given that ministers are held accountable for that to the Parliament and the public, and were elected to do so, it is important that ministers are able to have an influence. If we end up in a place in which performance is not where it should be, it is important that ministers are able to engage proactively with a public body to ensure that we can resolve the situation.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

It is questions in the chamber from you, Mr Fraser.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

Who was that evidence taken from?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

The answer is yes, in the sense that we are always looking for opportunities or examples of where that is the case. When I meet cabinet secretaries, I always ask to what extent they are considering the bodies under their portfolio, whether there are overlaps and whether there is scope for consolidation.

Another interesting point concerns overlaps between different portfolios. We tend to consider things in the portfolio space, but we can also ask what specific expertise a body brings to the public sector landscape. The body might have expertise in doing something that cuts across portfolios, such as making payments, gathering revenue or a specific function such as standard setting. We are also in the business of looking for opportunities where we can capitalise on the expertise that is out there and that public bodies can offer as a service to other public bodies, which means either that those other public bodies do not need to do it or that we can consolidate.

There is a job for Government there, and very much a job for public sector leaders. Nobody knows everything about all the 130-odd public bodies and what they are all doing, or what different people in different bits of those bodies are doing. There is absolutely a role for public sector leaders to engage, and many of them are very proactive in that space.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

That is up to the Parliament, if it wants to make that case. Are you referring to capacity in terms of the number of MSPs or committees, or the amount of time that committees spend on specific things? In what sense are you talking about capacity?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

No—it is up to the Parliament to figure out what it needs to do.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

The officials can correct me if I am wrong, but I suppose that if the organisation employs staff, has a building and a budget, is spending money and has accounts, it can clearly be audited as an entity. If we are talking about an inspector or a group that does not have that back-office support—its support is provided by the Government—and does not run its own budget line per se, that will be consolidated in the Government accounts and the process will be different. That would be the determining factor as to which category the body would sit in, but the level of scrutiny through whatever route should be just as effective.