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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 November 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

You are right. The advocacy role has come out in your evidence. I cannot remember who it was that said that MSPs have a very important advocacy role: a lot of people come to our door and then we make a case for them by setting out the situation that they find themselves in and how that can be addressed. I suppose that it is important to parse that out to the regulatory bodies.

Not that we would, but if we said that we did not think that the Scottish Information Commissioner or the Ethical Standards Commissioner should be doing what they are doing—

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

The roles are very clear. I know that you have had some discussion about whether there should be fewer commissioners and more scope for amalgamation and so on, but, frankly, as I said, the Government would not want to get involved in that discussion, for obvious good reasons. In the abstract, I would say that commissioners do an important job as part of the democratic process and the checks and balances that are within that. It is essential that those regulatory roles are carried out.

In terms of the advocacy groups, I think that it will depend very much on the individual situation, because every context will be different. Different groups will be advocating for different groups within society. They will interact with different agencies and different parts of the Government and they will face different challenges. I suppose that the value that they will bring to that will vary, depending on what it is. That will be very much at the portfolio level and depend on the minister who is responsible for that.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

My colleague, the Minister for Parliamentary Business, would tell us that there is absolutely no space in the calendar for this parliamentary session. Given the timescale, I think that you are talking about doing that in the next session. In theory, the Government would welcome anything that would make the landscape more effective and efficient and that applies to this committee’s remit to look at Parliament-supported bodies and to the larger and wider landscape of public bodies. We are absolutely willing to engage in that.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

I can talk about my experience, although the three former ministers who are on the committee all have their own experiences of different portfolios to talk about.

A commissioner is one voice among several. Their impact will depend on the context, the portfolio, what the issue happens to be and on whether the commissioner comes up with something important or significant, but that impact could also come from a range of other directions.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

The direction of travel is to look for opportunities to simplify the landscape. To be clear, we do not see structural change as the first port of call. There is a lot that we can do before we get to structural change, including having co-operation between public bodies, the sharing of services and resources, removing duplication, working in clusters and so on. If that leads us to a place where structural reorganisation is the right answer for the broader public body landscape, we will move into that space. Where legislation is required to do that, we will take that forward. We do not start with that, however; we get to that once we have exhausted everything else.

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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

When you say “different functions”, do you mean different—

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

Absolutely.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

Given that ministers are held accountable for that to the Parliament and the public, and were elected to do so, it is important that ministers are able to have an influence. If we end up in a place in which performance is not where it should be, it is important that ministers are able to engage proactively with a public body to ensure that we can resolve the situation.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

It is questions in the chamber from you, Mr Fraser.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Ivan McKee

Who was that evidence taken from?