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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 May 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you. Is there anything else that you have not had the chance to say?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

Welcome back. I am pleased that we are now joined by Nicola Killean, who is commissioner, Gina Wilson, who is head of strategy, and Nick Hobbs, who is head of advice and investigations, all from the office of the Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland. Thank you very much for being with us and for sending your written correspondence in advance of the meeting.

As I have done with all our previous witnesses, I will move straight to questions. I would be grateful if you could set out what you consider to be the purpose of the Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland and how the role differs from those of ministers, MSPs and other bodies. As I said earlier, we all have experience and an understanding of that, but it would be helpful for us to hear your position.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you for concluding in that way. Thank you all for your engagement, your written submission, your time and participation today and for answering our questions.

I will now conclude the public part of our meeting. As the committee agreed previously, we will move into private session to consider today’s evidence.

11:28 Meeting continued in private until 11:40.  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

That is very helpful. In your written submission of 13 February, you state that, overall, the issue is

“persistent lack of access to justice, at individual and systemic level”.

That is a good phrase that encapsulates my experience of your work. How do you perceive the current role of SPCB supported bodies, including the Scottish Human Rights Commission, in enhancing public trust and confidence in public life in Scotland?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

That was really helpful and well put—thank you. How do you perceive the current role of the SPCB supported bodies in enhancing public trust and confidence—in your case, as it relates to children and young people—in public life in Scotland?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

The realisation of rights is fundamental in all that. We need to ensure that rights are not just written in law but understood in people’s everyday lives.

As a constituency MSP, I interacted with you on an issue in relation to a number of council housing blocks in Leith. I mention that because you talked about your recent work, which was published last month, on the institutionalisation of independent living in Scotland. I have mentioned housing. Both of those are subject areas for the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman’s consideration, as are parts of the health service, local authority housing delivery and housing associations, as we have heard in previous evidence sessions. Do you want to say anything about how your work is different from that of the SPSO and about any collaboration that you have with it?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

That segues nicely into questions from Richard Leonard.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

Such answers are helpful as we consider our recommendations to the Parliament.

In your helpful written submission, you reflected that you thought that your audit requirements were “disproportionate”, given the size of your organisation. Will you say a bit more about that?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

I appreciate that that point might be relevant to other commissioners, so that is helpful to the committee’s work, which is likely to include hearing from Audit Scotland in the weeks ahead.

I am conscious of the specific areas of focus that you have engaged in and the impactful nature of your work. For example, there is the work around free school meals—Gina Wilson, I know that you have been very involved in that—and the work around Scottish football and young people, part of which involves the petition on improving youth football in Scotland, which I think is the longest-running petition in the Scottish Parliament’s history. Nick Hobbs, you have been engaged in that work, and, commissioner, you are across all that, too. Do you want to add anything? This is almost related to my first question—I am thinking about the specific things that you are involved in, the importance of that work and the impact that you can make.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

Lorna Slater, you had a last question, and I also have one. I am conscious of the time, so we need brief questions and succinct answers, please.