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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Ben Macpherson

What is the projection for 2024-25?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Ben Macpherson

There have been some questions and discussion about the potential reduction in numbers in the 2024-25 budget, but it is important, for context, to consider the provision that there has been in recent years. Cabinet secretary, you said that, in the 2021-22 financial year, a record number of Scottish students were state funded to go to higher education institutions in Scotland. Do you want to put a number on that? We are talking about tens of thousands of young people having a state-funded opportunity in Scotland that is not available elsewhere in the UK. Indeed, it would be useful and interesting for members to hear the numbers for 2022-23 and 2023-24.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Ben Macpherson

Do you have an approximate figure? In recent days, I have heard the figure of between 38,000 and 40,000 quoted in media sources.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Ben Macpherson

As a society, we need to be more comfortable with different positive destinations. I go back to the earlier discussion around the number of university places, which has been part of the public discourse in the past few days. If more young people go into apprenticeships or directly into the workplace because that is the right route to enable them to flourish, we need to be comfortable with the fact that that may have an impact on the numbers of young people who go to university. That is not necessarily a negative thing.

We are at the beginning—well, we are not at the beginning; the situation has developed to a reasonable extent, but we have some way to go in order to get to a place where we, as a society, celebrate whatever a young person thinks is best for them and their abilities, and help them on their journey.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Ben Macpherson

Good morning. Thank you for your time and your submissions.

Before I ask my questions, I draw members’ attention to my registered interest as a solicitor on the roll of Scottish solicitors and as a previously practising, now non-practising, member of the Law Society of Scotland.

This is all about the climate crisis and the biodiversity crisis on a larger scale, but for the constituencies that we represent and the communities whom we serve, it is about quality of place, quality of the local environment and quality of life. What interests me about the wider issue is the question how we make improvements together. I take SEPA’s point about working collaboratively. I have certainly seen that in my constituency at the Seafield waste water treatment works, for example, on which Professor Parsons and SEPA have been engaged. We have seen improvement through collaboration without the need for legal process.

There are questions, however, about access to justice in order to make improvements. I am open-minded about the idea of an environmental court. I know that Dr Fifield has been involved in considerations of the Water of Leith basin in my constituency: thank you for that.

What are the panel’s views on the need for an environmental court in Scotland? Do we really need that? To what extent do you agree with the concern that has been raised by ERCS in its written evidence—that the Scottish Government’s consideration of the issue in the review did not meet the requirements of the UK Withdrawal from the European Union (Continuity) (Scotland) Act 2021, even taking into account that the Government went on to publish a further briefing on the issue and extended the consultation period? Dr Fifield seems to want to answer that question first.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Ben Macpherson

May I add a supplementary question on that point? I talked earlier about the Civil Litigation (Expenses and Group Proceedings) (Scotland) Act 2018. Has that had any meaningful positive impact on those considerations?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Ben Macpherson

Can I come in, convener?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Ben Macpherson

Thanks very much. Professor Parsons made some important points there. There are instances—I can think of at least one in my constituency—where public bodies and agencies have to interact with private landowners. Is that not one of the areas of consideration where the use of legal mechanisms may be beneficial for the common good in certain circumstances?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Ben Macpherson

And—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Ben Macpherson

Having that expertise is also really significant for communities and those who bring any challenge so that they know in which direction to turn. I do not know whether you want to say anything more about that. It seems quite a clunky and cluttered landscape at the moment. Is the Civil Litigation (Expenses and Group Proceedings) (Scotland) Act 2018 relevant here? Is that making a difference in the here and now? I do not know whether you want to add any more on that.