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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

I empathise with what has been said so far and the witnesses make compelling points. I want to return to some of the points that came up in answer to my colleagues’ questions, and to the points that the previous witnesses made about practicalities.

Do you have views on what facilities should be available for people to give evidence in? Where should those be? Does there have to be agreement with local authorities? For some people, giving evidence will need to be facilitated by the Crown, but do you see people giving evidence from their homes? Presumably not, from what you have said so far. It would be good for us to hear your thoughts on the practicalities, particularly given what we heard from the previous witnesses.

11:45  

Criminal Justice Committee

Police Investigations and Review Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

I have a brief question. Mr Chapman, you mentioned that, of your casework, approximately 50 per cent comes from the west, 25 per cent from the north and 25 per cent from the east. I thought that that was interesting, given the population changes in Scotland and the places where the population is growing.

It provoked me to think about something that I have engaged with you on in the past. I appreciate your role in statute and in the timeline of a complaint. Will you be undertaking work in the period ahead—especially if the Parliament passes the Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill this afternoon and it is then implemented—to raise awareness of the PIRC further in the public domain so that people know that you are there and you are able to hear cases?

Having helped constituents through the PIRC submission process, I sometimes worry about how much public awareness there is that the PIRC is there and that you can consider people’s cases.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police Investigations and Review Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 15 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

Communities need to be made aware of the PIRC, whether that is by parliamentarians such as ourselves, local authorities, the third sector or other statutory bodies.

Of course, an excellent website is welcome. I have constituents who are very aware of what you do or have been made aware by us. However, when told about the website, they have said, “Oh, I didn’t know about that”. That is just something to bear in mind.

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

David Hamilton mentioned that the Lanarkshire project saved 18,000 police man-hours. As a follow-up, ACC Paton, are you able to give the committee an indication of the number of man-hours that we might save if we make progress with the implementation of the collaborative commitments, and of what the financial gain might be? That would enable us to help with calls on the budget—potentially the big health budget—to support that work.

That question was as quick as I was able to make it, convener.

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

I thank the witnesses for being with us, and for their feedback and comments so far. I engaged with this issue initially as a constituency MSP in Edinburgh. However, I found that the evidence that we received from the SPF, for example, ahead of today’s session resonates with the challenges that have been experienced in the capital, in that—to quote from the SPF submission—

“this area of business is the single biggest inhibitor in operational officers across Scotland being able to carry out their core function to deliver basic policing services across our communities.”

That is a challenge with which we are all wrestling, although I recognise the increase in collaboration and perseverance, and the progress and the reduction in demand.

In that context, I have two questions. First, I am, and the committee is, aware of initiatives that are being implemented by the police such as mental health triage cars in Edinburgh and a community triage service in Lanarkshire. Are you aware of other initiatives that are examples of good practice in addressing the issues around the policing of vulnerable people? How could those be rolled out, if appropriate, on a national basis?

I turn to my second question. Dr Steel, you talked about how we create a door that accepts both, if that is an accurate way to quote your key message back to you. How far away are we from that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

Can I ask one more small question, convener?

Criminal Justice Committee

Policing Vulnerable People

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

You are saying that we are getting closer but we do not know yet—

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 12 December 2024

Ben Macpherson

I am not a member of the Law Society of Scotland, but I am on its roll of Scottish solicitors. That may be of relevance at points during our deliberations.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 12 December 2024

Ben Macpherson

Thank you very much, Murdo, for your assistance, and thank you, colleagues, for electing me—if that is an appropriate description—to the position of convener.

Item 3 is a decision on whether to take item 4 in private. Are we agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

10:03 Meeting continued in private until 10:50.  

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Ben Macpherson

That clarification is helpful.