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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

As well as thinking about funding, my request to you is that you help us to think about time. You do not necessarily need to do this today, but as we move forward in the bill process, it would be useful for the committee to know whether you can give a more definitive position on what a reasonable timeframe for commencement would be.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 23 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the first meeting in 2025 of the SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee. I have received no apologies for today’s meeting.

Agenda item 1 is a declaration of interests. I welcome Richard Leonard MSP to his first meeting of the committee and invite him to declare any relevant interests.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 23 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you, Richard.

As was previously agreed by the committee, we will move into private session to discuss our work programme.

09:30 Meeting continued in private until 10:49.  

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

I empathise with what has been said so far and the witnesses make compelling points. I want to return to some of the points that came up in answer to my colleagues’ questions, and to the points that the previous witnesses made about practicalities.

Do you have views on what facilities should be available for people to give evidence in? Where should those be? Does there have to be agreement with local authorities? For some people, giving evidence will need to be facilitated by the Crown, but do you see people giving evidence from their homes? Presumably not, from what you have said so far. It would be good for us to hear your thoughts on the practicalities, particularly given what we heard from the previous witnesses.

11:45  

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

From your answers thus far and from your written submissions, it seems that there is not an opposition to the principle of moving to the use of digital technology when it is appropriate and the modernisation of the systems that you operate within every day, but that due consideration needs to be given to the practicalities and the resourcing. Mr Brown made a good point about a faster and cheaper approach versus a better one.

That makes me think about what the estimates for timelines should be in respect of any change or reform. You will note that section 28, on commencement, states that some parts of the bill will come into effect on royal assent or on 1 December this year, whichever is earlier.

It would be helpful for us to understand—whether in a verbal response now, or by following up with the committee in writing—what you think would be a fair and reasonable timeframe if Parliament was to pass the bill and the Government was to resource it appropriately. My first reaction is that the timeline is quite ambitious, but I am interested in hearing practical insights from you and your members on the ground, so to speak.

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

So the issue is about both the suitability and the establishment of appropriate suites, to use your word, whether in defence firm offices or in a public sector setting such as—to use Mr Munro’s example—local libraries. There needs to be clear agreement and understanding, and then facilitation and resourcing of those facilities.

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

And perhaps for some time thereafter, in case of an appeal.

Convener, do I have time to ask one more question?

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

Will you say that again, Mr Brown, as your microphone was off?

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

So, in such a situation, although the use of a photo would be appropriate in proceedings, you would want the original to be kept available until the conclusion of the trial.

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Ben Macpherson

As the bill progresses, we could consider whether retention of the original thing, to use your phrase, should be a requirement until the conclusion of the trial process.