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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Ben Macpherson

Sorry—I mean having a full account on the land register.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Ben Macpherson

Okay. [Laughter.]

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Ben Macpherson

I draw attention to my entry in the register of members’ interests, which shows that I am a trained lawyer. Although I am no longer a member of the Law Society of Scotland, I am on the roll of Scottish solicitors. For transparency, I state that Dr Jill Robbie and I used to work together in private practice.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Ben Macpherson

Thank you all for your time and for your submissions in advance of the meeting. Giving you the opportunity to build on those written submissions, we would be interested in hearing your views on the need for further land reform and on whether the bill, as drafted, will improve transparency, strengthen the rights and sustainable development of communities, and ensure sufficient and adequate supply of land. Perhaps Dr Robbie would like to begin.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Ben Macpherson

In your written submission, you say:

“a legal obligation of community engagement will allow those impacted by the decisions of the owner to have a say in the management of the land.”

Could you elaborate on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Ben Macpherson

I have one more question for you before we hear from the other panellists. In your written submission, you talked about

“the marketability of land in Scotland”.

I read that with interest. For full clarity, will you say a bit more about why you think that is important and why you would want Scotland’s land to be marketable? I am not sure that everyone would agree with that point.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Ben Macpherson

That does not necessarily directly relate to inward investment. Many people argue that land in Scotland is not well used enough as things stand. The line of argument that I read from the submission is that you think that we should be able to trade land and incentivise inward investment, and you are concerned that the bill might have an impact on that. I am trying to get a sense of what your line of argument is, because I am not clear about that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Ben Macpherson

Is there any evidence base for that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Ben Macpherson

I have a subjective question for Dr Robbie and Mr Macleod. Earlier, we talked about the transfer test. The Scottish Government previously consulted on a public interest test. Do you have any views on the public interest test and whether there would be merit in amending the bill to include one?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Ben Macpherson

I am sorry. I did not mean to put words in your mouth. I did not mean to question your position in terms of wanting to see land being well used in Scotland; I did not mean to insinuate otherwise.

What interests me about the public interest test—to go back to the issue that I raised in my first question—is that there is a view, which many people in Scotland hold, that land is not well used at present. I include urban Scotland in that. A public interest test has the potential, as some people have argued in evidence to the committee, to help to ensure better utilisation of land—not just in rural, agricultural and island settings, but in urban settings.