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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 July 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

That is very helpful. Audit Scotland will give evidence to us and you have given us information that we might want to raise.

Richard Leonard wants to come back in.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you. If you want to follow up in writing with any further thoughts on that, that would be very helpful. I now turn to Ash Regan.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

I will bring Richard Leonard back in, in a second. You mentioned that currently all office-holders are individually audited and that there could be a saving if there was an opportunity for doing one audit for all office-holders. What challenges or opportunities in doing that do you want to highlight to us today, or as a follow-up, if that is more appropriate?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

We will consider that further. Thank you very much.

Richard Leonard raised a point about other ombudsman functions—both reserved and devolved. This is just a question of curiosity more than anything else, but are there cyclical moments throughout the calendar year at which you sit around a table together or have a call that the Government convenes? There must be so much opportunity for shared insight and learning. It is a cluttered landscape, which is partly why the committee has been charged with this SPCB work. I am interested to hear how you collaborate and communicate on a wide scale.

10:45  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you very much, Rosemary, for your time today and for sharing your insights and answering our questions.

The next meeting will be after recess, colleagues, when the committee will hear from the Scottish Information Commissioner and the Scottish Biometrics Commissioner. We will conclude the public part of our meeting. As was previously agreed by the committee, we move into private session to consider today’s evidence.

10:50 Meeting continued in private until 11:09.  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

Do you want to ask your question about the Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland at this point, Richard?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

Good morning, and welcome to the third meeting in 2025 of the SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee. I have received no apologies for today’s meeting.

Under agenda item 1, the committee will take evidence from the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman, and I am very pleased to welcome Rosemary Agnew to the meeting.

We move directly to questions, and I will ask a general question first. What do you consider to be the SPSO’s role, and how does it differ from the role of ministers, MSPs and other public bodies?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

Before I go to Lorna Slater, I have a question on the same topic. My other committee—the Criminal Justice Committee—is considering the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill, which includes a proposal to establish a victims and witnesses commissioner for Scotland. There has been discourse in Parliament and beyond about such a role. If you were inclined to speak in similarly candid terms, given your experience and understanding, is that an area that you as an ombudsman could encompass as well?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

That is very helpful. Colleagues, are there any further questions that you would like to ask?

Members indicated disagreement.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you very much. Those were very helpful questions and responses.