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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 May 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Ben Macpherson

Together with support staff.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Ben Macpherson

So, by mid-2026?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Ben Macpherson

So, for the rest of this parliamentary session, the focus could and perhaps should be on supporting the reform, so that we start to see the benefit in the next session.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Ben Macpherson

Quite rightly, you have emphasised the reality of the backlog of the pandemic implications. Thanks for emphasising that. Before Mr Graham comes in, I invite you both to respond to one further point.

Yesterday, the Public and Commercial Services Union published a report that highlighted the effect on productivity of a number of issues, including information technology infrastructure and the challenges of physical infrastructure such as IT and digital systems. Will you comment on the importance of capital investment in and improvement of that infrastructure for efficiency, the progress of justice and morale, and the knock-on effect on your revenue budget and some of the demands that you mentioned?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Ben Macpherson

I appreciate that. There is the wider context of the reduction in the Scottish Government’s capital budget, and I am sure that we would all hope that the chancellor will address at least some of that today. However, once you have had further dialogue with Scottish Government officials, I—and, I am sure, colleagues—would be interested in getting an update from you on the progress of discussions on section 4(2)(b) of the Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Act 2012. If there are any prohibiting reasons that make it difficult to utilise and implement that provision, I think that we should know about them.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Ben Macpherson

I absolutely understand the principle and the ambition, but I am more interested in the dialogue on the technicalities and the challenges in the legislative environment.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Ben Macpherson

I want to build on some of the points that have been raised by my colleague. You spoke about the challenges of annuality and said that you would look to move to a local authority fiscal framework, so to speak. I have a lot of empathy with that. Is the challenge with using section 4(2)(b) of the 2012 act the fact that the Scottish Government has fewer capital borrowing powers than local authorities and that the Scottish Government cannot hold reserves, unlike local authorities? Is that challenge part of the bigger issue that we discussed in Parliament yesterday with regard to the fact that the Scottish Government does not have enough flexibility and capability to engage in capital borrowing?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Ben Macpherson

Good morning. I want to go back to capital matters for a moment, and I also have a question on revenue.

With regard to capital, I note the statements in paragraph 12 of Police Scotland’s submission about

“securing multi-year funding commitments from Scottish Government, the exercise of statutory borrowing powers and the establishment of a facility to enable the carry forward of financial reserves.”

Could you say a bit more about how the dialogue with the Government has gone? The Scottish Government faces challenges, given its constricted ability to borrow and to provide multiyear funding, because of the nature of the fiscal framework. Coupled with that, clarity on most aspects of the Scottish Government’s budget is provided only annually, because of the way in which the UK Government budget process works. What would be a welcome update from the chancellor in today’s UK Government budget, given the wider considerations on planning the capital investment that is clearly essential for the delivery of policing?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Ben Macpherson

I do not underestimate the logistical challenge of timetabling, scheduling and organising trials and ensuring that it is a thorough and appropriate process, but it seems that a lot of time could be saved if we utilised technology more.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Ben Macpherson

I presume that that includes the Crown Office.