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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 July 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

Lorna Slater, you had a last question, and I also have one. I am conscious of the time, so we need brief questions and succinct answers, please.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you.

Perhaps I can clarify a few things for the sake of completeness. On the victims and witnesses commissioner, that proposal is still being considered as part of stage 2 of the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill.

During the course of the meeting, some undertakings were given with regard to specific points that were made by Ash Regan, and on the committee’s work, in response to Lorna Slater. I am grateful in advance for our being sent that written correspondence.

Lastly, thank you both very much for your written submissions, for your evidence today and for your time.

I suspend briefly to allow for a changeover of panels.

10:42 Meeting suspended.  

10:48 On resuming—  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

To stick to the topic that Richard Leonard asked about, I am conscious that your powers were extended in 2014. Mr Hobbs has given some indication of other powers that he thinks might be useful for you to have. If, following this meeting, you wanted to give a formal position or further consideration—in a similar way that the Scottish Human Rights Commission did in its written submission—on what other powers might be appropriate, useful, helpful or in the public interest, please feel free to follow that up in writing.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

In relation to scrutiny, I was a member of the Scottish Parliament’s Education, Children and Young People Committee when you gave your first annual report. In recent times, you are the only SPCB supported commissioner from whom I have heard evidence in a committee—actually, the Scottish Biometrics Commissioner came to a Criminal Justice Committee meeting a few weeks ago. Could such sessions be more robust and more probing? For MSPs, those sessions are sometimes more about hearing about your work, which is important, but could MSPs provide more scrutiny during them?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

It is very helpful for our considerations to get those differences on record.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

That segues nicely into questions from Richard Leonard.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

Such answers are helpful as we consider our recommendations to the Parliament.

In your helpful written submission, you reflected that you thought that your audit requirements were “disproportionate”, given the size of your organisation. Will you say a bit more about that?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 27 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

I appreciate that that point might be relevant to other commissioners, so that is helpful to the committee’s work, which is likely to include hearing from Audit Scotland in the weeks ahead.

I am conscious of the specific areas of focus that you have engaged in and the impactful nature of your work. For example, there is the work around free school meals—Gina Wilson, I know that you have been very involved in that—and the work around Scottish football and young people, part of which involves the petition on improving youth football in Scotland, which I think is the longest-running petition in the Scottish Parliament’s history. Nick Hobbs, you have been engaged in that work, and, commissioner, you are across all that, too. Do you want to add anything? This is almost related to my first question—I am thinking about the specific things that you are involved in, the importance of that work and the impact that you can make.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

I will go back to the discussion about the proposed commissioner. For completeness, the SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee was established following an inquiry into the commissioner landscape by the Finance and Public Administration Committee. I convene that new short-term committee and place on record that if the cabinet secretary and the Government wanted to write to that committee to set out the arguments and evidence for the importance of the commissioner that the bill proposes, that would be helpful and welcome.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Ben Macpherson

For clarity, I was not disputing that.