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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 3 October 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

I have a brief supplementary question on that. I appreciate the importance of the points that Sarah Boyack makes. We have heard from the Scottish Human Rights Commission, which has published documentation in recent months, about its concerns about the delivery of policy. We have heard from the Auditor General this morning about how Audit Scotland monitors financial spend, as does the Accounts Commission for local authorities. The SPSO has a role in implementation. I do not discount the points that you have made, which are the reality of the situation. However, as things stand, is it not the responsibility of all the bodies that we have to question and improve scrutiny of implementation?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Please be very quick.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Those were good and important points to finish on.

Colleagues—thank you very much for your time this morning, for helping us to understand the merits of your proposals and for your comments on and insights into the wider questions that we are considering in the review. I am really grateful for your coming and answering our questions.

That concludes the public part of our meeting. As was previously agreed, we will move into private session.

11:30 Meeting continued in private until 11:40.  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

That is excellent. Thank you for your time this morning. I suspend the meeting for a changeover of witnesses.

10:21 Meeting suspended.  

10:29 On resuming—  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Welcome back. I am pleased to welcome to the meeting our colleagues Jeremy Balfour, Colin Smyth and Sarah Boyack, and Roz Thomson, who is head of the Scottish Parliament’s non-Government bills unit. Thank you for being with us.

Before I invite other members to ask questions, I will put some generic ones to you all. What do you consider to be the benefit of an SPCB supported commissioner? In your proposals, why have you opted for such a model over other options, such as a Government-supported body, which could also demonstrate independence from Government?

I saw Jeremy Balfour nodding, so I will go to him first.

10:30  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Commissioners sometimes appear in front of their subject committees if a particular piece of work is being done, but it is helpful for us to reflect on your custom and practice of regularly being in this institution, in relation to the common good or public good, as you referred to. Thank you for elaborating on that matter.

10:15  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Your points about scrutinising and monitoring implementation are extremely important. As things stand, there is a question for us about our examination of that more widely and across the bodies. Thank you for elaborating further on that.

I am sorry that I interrupted you, Lorna.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

I am grateful to you for reflecting on the evidence that we have heard and giving your view on it.

I move to questions from our colleague, Murdo Fraser.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

I am conscious that colleagues around the table have mentioned the SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee, which I convene. Although the Parliament has been tasked with reviewing the landscape in relation to the bodies that are funded by the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body, some of the points that have been raised relate to bodies across the board and those that are funded by the Government. While that work is under way, the Government must uphold its commitment to establishing a victims commissioner—that was the mandate that it got from people in the election. The work that the Parliament has commissioned regarding existing commissioners does not prohibit, or give any indication regarding, the creation of a victims commissioner. That is an important point of clarity.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Victim Support Scotland and other organisations have argued strongly in favour of the creation of a victims commissioner, so a large constituency of those who support victims and engage with them every day support the creation of a commissioner.