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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 2 October 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you. Again, that is helpful for our discussion. To start that, Lorna Slater wants to come in.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Who wants to take that?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Absolutely. Lorna Slater, did you want to add anything further?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Do any examples stand out for you?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

I appreciate that.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you—that was very helpful. Excuse me for interrupting you with that point of clarity.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Okay.

I have a final set of questions for the witnesses. Is there anything that you wanted to say today that our questioning has not allowed you to emphasise to us? Also, as a final way of sharing your insights and knowledge, which have been extremely helpful, if you were in our shoes—if you were tasked with what we have been asked to do by Parliament—is there anything that you would definitely do? Alison, that is for you first.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

It is very helpful—thank you. This committee has been tasked with looking at the SPCB funded bodies, but it is important for us to look at that in the wider context of the landscape of public bodies in Scotland. It is good to have you here today, given your wide remit, although I appreciate what you said about the Accounts Commission. That is an important and interesting clarification and point of emphasis, because one could ask why there is a divide between what you audit and what the Accounts Commission audits. Have you ever considered why everything does not sit with you, as the Auditor General?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

That is interesting. We have both engaged with organisations such as the Scottish Commission on Social Security—SCOSS—so there are bodies that fulfil some aspects of that function. However, your argument is that there should be a comprehensive approach.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

As the former Minister for Social Security and Local Government, I am very aware of that. It is helpful of you to set it all out for our evidence and as part of the discussion on the wider landscape, so I thank you for detailing the legacy and the nuance. Much of the scenario that the committee is considering relates to the position that has built up through legacy; we will get into more of that shortly.

In your written submission, interestingly, you categorise SPCB bodies as “less complex” in relation to audits. Can you comment further on how Audit Scotland ensures that the audit process for those less complex bodies is proportionate to their size and their complexity?