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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 2 October 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

That is a helpful idea for us to consider in advance of having someone from Government here at a future meeting. I note that the Deputy First Minister told Parliament a few weeks ago that the national performance framework is being reconsidered, so we will make that part of our considerations.

That dovetails nicely with Ash Regan asking about accountability and scrutiny, so I will hand over to her.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

I am sorry to interrupt. I do not want you to lose your train of thought so please do come back on those points later. You made a point there about the committee’s focus on the SPCB bodies meaning that we are only looking at part of a bigger picture. Is it important for the Parliament to bear that in mind and for the committee to consider it as we conclude in the months ahead?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

That is really interesting and helpful.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Dr Elliott, you are nodding. Would you like to add anything?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Good morning, and welcome to the seventh meeting in 2025 of the SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee. I have received no apologies for today’s meeting. The first agenda item is a decision on taking business in private. Do members agree to take item 3 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Under agenda item 2, the committee will take evidence from academics and researchers. I am pleased to welcome Dr Ian Elliott, senior lecturer in public administration at the University of Glasgow; Dr Matthew Gill, programme director at the Institute for Government; Dr Ruth Lamont, reader in child and family law at the University of Manchester, and UK Research and Innovation thematic research lead at the United Kingdom Parliament; and Alison Payne, research director at Reform Scotland. I am grateful to you all for your written submissions.

We move directly to questions, and the first one is quite wide and generic. Would you like to relay or emphasise anything about what the purposes of the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body-supported bodies and commissioners are or should be? Perhaps Dr Elliott could start.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you, all, for those final points, which were very interesting. In the coming weeks, we will speak to others about international examples of how things are done similarly and differently. There are considerations about what the next parliamentary session will look like and how the Parliament could scrutinise things. There are also considerations about whether there should be commitments in 2026 party-political manifestos. We will have representatives of the Government before us in the weeks ahead, and we will be able to ask them about the wider landscape that we have spoken about.

Thank you for those concluding remarks and for what you have relayed to us today in answering our questions and sharing your insights and views. The discussion has been extremely helpful for us, and we are grateful for your time today and in submitting the written material.

That concludes the public part of today’s meeting. As agreed earlier, we now move into private session.

11:27 Meeting continued in private until 11:40.  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

I will bring in Lorna Slater in a second, but I have a question for Dr Gill or the other witnesses that follows up on that point. Do you have any thoughts on whether there should be sunset clauses? For example, should there be a review after five years of whether the body is performing its functions and is still needed? Should there be a periodic evaluation?

In our previous evidence sessions, the possibility has been raised not just of holding more frequent scrutiny sessions with parliamentary committees and creating the capacity for that, as Alison Payne rightly touched on, but of whether there would be a benefit in having a new committee dedicated to the scrutiny of SPCB bodies—or whether there are other models that we should explore.

Lorna, do you want to add a supplementary question to that?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

I suggested a piece of legislation because many of the commissioners have been created out of primary legislation.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

As there are no further comments on those matters, I will bring in Richard Leonard.