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Economy and Fair Work Committee
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Daniel Johnson
I want to ask some questions on that, because the issue is really important. The issue here is context, because there are always different ways to look at data.
I note two specific things about NSET’s productivity measures. First, the progress report uses 2023 data, but the 2024 data was published only one day after the report’s publication. Is there an issue with the sequencing of data, and can we use the most up-to-date data?
The report uses nominal data and quotes an increase in productivity from £40.50 GVA per hour worked to £42.50 GVA per hour worked. That is described as an increase, but in real terms it is a decrease of 1.5 per cent. Do we need to think about how we use data, ensure that we use the most up-to-date data and provide greater context?
Economy and Fair Work Committee
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Daniel Johnson
With that, I think that the Economy and Fair Work Committee is demonstrating excellent productivity by dealing with our agenda ahead of schedule.
Economy and Fair Work Committee
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Daniel Johnson
Good morning, and welcome to the 27th meeting in 2025 of the Economy and Fair Work Committee. This morning, as part of our pre-budget scrutiny, we will take evidence from the Deputy First Minister, Kate Forbes. Before we do so, I first note that we have received apologies—[Interruption.] I ask everyone to turn their phones to silent. I probably should have said that before. We have received apologies from Willie Coffey, and from Sarah Boyack, who is joining the committee, so we will defer item 1.
Agenda item 2 is a decision on whether to take business in private. I refer members to papers 1 and 2 in their information packs. Do we agree to take items 4 and 5 in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Economy and Fair Work Committee
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Daniel Johnson
On agencies’ insight into regional approaches to what drives economic growth, I do not particularly disagree with the work that HIE and SOSE do. They do an important job on that agenda. However, although we would not want all our enterprise agencies reporting on exactly the same things—that would be counterproductive—we should surely have them reporting on some of the same things, so that we have some common points of reference. It strikes me that we do not really have that.
Secondly, beyond the metrics point, and looking at other countries, Sweden has been on a similar path. It has a comparable number of enterprise agencies, but it also has an explicit team Sweden programme, whereby each of the agencies has a clear understanding of how it interfaces with the others, to the point where each of them articulates that clearly and explicitly on their website. Could we use more comparable ways of understanding and measuring our outcomes? Should we, in a qualitative sense, be better at articulating where they fit and collaborate together, as well as the areas where they do their own thing, so to speak?
Economy and Fair Work Committee
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Daniel Johnson
No, and if we do have time, there are some issues around data points that it might be useful to talk about. However, we need to move on for now. I will bring in Lorna Slater.
Economy and Fair Work Committee
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Daniel Johnson
Before we move on, I have a couple of brief supplementary questions relating to the defence questions that came up. First, I was wondering whether you could share with the committee the detail that you seem to be referencing regarding supply chain companies. It would be useful if we could get that in writing and on the record; that would be an important bit of clarification.
I also have a direct question. A number of companies are designated as sovereign capabilities, which involves robust Chinese walls and separation. I believe that Leonardo is designated as such, as is Thales in Glasgow. Is that being taken into cognisance in how the policy is drawn up? Will those companies that are designated as sovereign capabilities be deemed as separate from their parent companies? That will have a significant bearing on how the policy will operate.
Economy and Fair Work Committee
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Daniel Johnson
I agree with that, but the point was not so much about the structures per se as about the data points and the comparisons.
Stephen Kerr wants to ask a supplementary question.
Economy and Fair Work Committee
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Daniel Johnson
It is.
Economy and Fair Work Committee
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Daniel Johnson
I genuinely think that, in broad terms, we can all agree on the point about wanting to be more ambitious for Scotland and to be clear eyed about where the opportunities for improvement are.
I thank the cabinet secretary, Colin Cook and Aidan Grisewood for their contributions this morning.
We move into private session.
11:11 Meeting continued in private until 11:12.Economy and Fair Work Committee
Meeting date: 24 September 2025
Daniel Johnson
That is different. They are not within your control—I accept that. However, you must have a plan, surely.