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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 January 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

Do any of the other witnesses want to make any comments about the need for clarity on any of the assumptions or about things that are implied but need to be made explicit in the plan? I do not see any indication that anyone wants to come in.

I have a final catch-all question. We have all been asking questions with the view that tackling climate change is imperative, so we must reduce our emissions—if for no other reason than our economy will need to compete in a world in which other countries are already reducing their emissions and aiming for a carbon-neutral world. However, there are people who will argue that we are simply adding costs to our economy and that it is an error to be pursuing climate targets. Are we all of the view that we must seek to reduce our emissions and achieve a carbon-neutral economy? Do we all agree that that is imperative for the Scottish economy?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

But we need a plan.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

I have a brief supplementary. On that point, is there anywhere in the world where alternative technologies for cracking—I take this as an example; there are other energy-intensive technologies—are priced competitively with gas-based cracking technology? Is it a feasible scenario to replace that with alternative technologies, or is that not the current state of the art? If it is not, how far away are we from such a scenario?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

Thank you for that. What the plan will look like for business and industry is the very specific lens through which we hope to look at it. I know that colleagues will wish to follow up on the investment and financing aspects.

I will bring in Professor Karen Turner on the same point. Have we drilled down in sufficient detail? Is this actually a plan, or is it still a set of ambitions on emissions reduction?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

Thanks very much. I apologise to members for spending longer on my questions than I intended. I bring in the deputy convener, Michelle Thomson.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

Indeed. With an eye on the time and given that we have been asking questions for 90 minutes, I suggest that we take a five-minute recess and recommence just after 10 past.

11:06 Meeting suspended.  

11:10 On resuming—  

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

I would like to ask a few final questions. I have a couple of technical points that I will direct to Professor de Leeuw. On a number of occasions, you have made the point that we need to understand the underlying assumptions, principally about the costs, but I wonder whether that point also relates to the emission pathways. The advice from the Climate Change Committee suggests that we need balanced pathways and for those pathways to be broken down by sector, and the CCP takes a similar approach, but the differences between the pathways that the Climate Change Committee has set out and the ones that are set out in the CCP are not entirely clear. Is that another area in which we need to understand the underlying assumptions that the Scottish Government has made in order to understand the differentials? Is that a fair point to highlight?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

In what has been published, is there sufficient additional clarity on the how?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

But my question is whether that is happening anywhere in the world.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

I do not know who might be best placed to answer this. The cost is one element, but there is also a ceiling on the temperature to which electrical sources can heat things. That might suffice for some processes such as distillation, but it certainly would not for others such as cement or concrete manufacture or for other very high-heat applications.

We might not have an industry-specific representative on the panel, but does any of our witnesses have any insight on that? Do we need more focused research and development on how we can replace gas as a high-heat energy source?