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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 January 2026
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Fulton MacGregor

I appreciate that response. You touched on the fact that although there is a great deal of support for the bill, there is also a great deal of worry about it, which the committee is obviously hearing about.

The committee as a whole is keen to bring in legislation that makes it as easy as possible for people to live the lives that they want to lead. Do you not feel that the provisions on the criminal offence provide some reassurance to those who are opposed to the bill based on the concerns that have been raised? We have heard from you and other witnesses that anybody who applies for a gender recognition certificate will have already been living as trans for quite some time, so it is a decision that will have been taken a long time ago. Do you not feel that making it a criminal offence for somebody to make a false declaration will provide reassurance to those who have concerns about the bill?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Fulton MacGregor

Do the bodies for different sports across the country come to you to seek advice on this issue?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Fulton MacGregor

Good morning. I have two broad areas of questioning. The first is on the evidence that the committee has heard in support of the removal of the requirement for a gender dysphoria diagnosis. Ellie Gomersall, we have already heard your opening statement, in which you made your views and those of your organisation quite clear. Before I come to Bruce Adamson, do you wish to put any other views on that requirement on the record, for the benefit of committee members?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Fulton MacGregor

Thank you for being as brief as you can be about an issue that I know you are passionate about.

I turn to Ellie Gomersall. Can you answer the question in two parts? First, will you look at the criminal offence in terms of the 16 to 18-year-olds whom you represent? Do you have any concerns there? Secondly, will you talk about the wider implications for over-18s? I know that your organisation also represents them.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Fulton MacGregor

My question broadly follows on from Alexander Stewart’s line of questioning. You talked about responses to the consultation on the joint guidance that was published. What sort of response have you had since the guidance was published? Have the trends been the same, with the two trains of thought that you have spoken about, or have you had further responses that have given you cause for consideration?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Fulton MacGregor

Do you feel that that has increased as there has been a debate around the issue, or have you always been asked for advice on it?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Fulton MacGregor

Thanks, Malcolm. I nudge Hugh to answer that as well.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Fulton MacGregor

This is more of a remark that does not have anything to do with the legislation, as you have been quite clear that the legislation does not really impact on sport. However, it sounds as though trans people have an unpredictable future in sport, because all that it would take would be a change in organisational structure, the people at the top of the organisation, or in the standing orders for there to be a significant change in their participation. That is more of a remark than anything else, convener.

Criminal Justice Committee

Online Child Abuse, Grooming and Exploitation

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Fulton MacGregor

Thank you for that. With regard to the work that you have described, I think that I speak for all members in saying that I would be interested to hear more about that as it comes in to other local areas.

Criminal Justice Committee

Online Child Abuse, Grooming and Exploitation

Meeting date: 18 May 2022

Fulton MacGregor

It is helpful to get that on the record, because it allows us to clearly say that we have evidence of an overall increase. Katy Clark and Collette Stevenson will agree that that is what the agencies that are represented on the cross-party group that I chair are reporting. They feel that we are on the precipice of another pandemic in the coming period.

My substantive question is about young people’s use of the internet and what we can do to increase safety in educational terms. I know that we have talked a wee bit about that already, but I would like to bring in some of the witnesses at the top half of the table, because the discussion has probably been more focused on those sitting at the bottom half. My question, which is for Alison Penman, is: what more can we do to make young people safe? I have three young children, but it is my 8-year-old who probably falls into the category that we are discussing. She has asked me several times for a TikTok account. There is absolutely no chance that she is getting it—I do not have an account myself; in fact, I do not understand it—but, to be realistic, I will not be able to say no for ever, whether it be for TikTok or whatever replaces it. What can we do to educate our children about this? To be frank—and I am probably not the only parent who will say this—I think that my 8-year-old is more tech savvy than I am. That worries and concerns me as a parent; it worries and concerns my peers and friends whom I speak to; and it is a concern for my constituents. Do you have any advice in that respect?