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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 March 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Mairi Gougeon

If the SSI were annulled, the area would be open to fisheries. We would not have a closed area, and that would be a concern, given what we know about the condition of the stock.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Mairi Gougeon

Again, I have outlined all that in the letter to the committee. We have said that we are basing our approach on the evidence that we have presented in relation to previous orders, but we recognise that what we have observed in that time questions the hypothesis that we would base that approach on. That is why the scientific work is important. It is about filling those evidence gaps as well as looking at the wider bycatch issues across the fleet.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Mairi Gougeon

I do not think that we would have the power to change the closed area. I do not know whether Jim Watson has further information about that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Mairi Gougeon

You can see in the BRIA all the assessments and the information about how we considered the approach against all the different options. I read back the evidence that the committee heard, and I have heard that point directly from fishermen. It is hard to hear, because any decision that we take will have real-world consequences—there is no getting away from that.

We are trying to balance those consequences against all the legal obligations that we must satisfy. We need to take all that into consideration when we make decisions across the Government, whether for this SSI or otherwise. Where possible, we want to try to minimise any economic impact of the decisions, but that is not always possible, because we need to make sure that we are meeting our legal obligations.

You heard directly from the fishermen, as well as from Elaine Whyte, who quantified what the closure means for their vessels. Although it has been possible in previous years for some vessels to move elsewhere, that has not been the case for all of them. That is also getting increasingly difficult to do because of things such as increases in fuel costs.

We always take all those factors into consideration, and we ultimately try to reach a balance as best we can.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Mairi Gougeon

In effect, we would be failing to take any remedial action even though we knew that a stock was in trouble.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Mairi Gougeon

I believe that it will help to meet those objectives. I am happy to set that out in more detail to the committee. I think that the SSI meets the sustainability, precautionary, scientific, ecosystem and bycatch objectives.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Mairi Gougeon

Let us look at the sustainability objective. We know that the stock is at a low level and that cod mortality is too high. If we removed any protections, we would be doing nothing to mitigate that. The seasonal closure will at least offer some protection while we are working towards longer-term recovery.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Mairi Gougeon

We are conscious of all those issues. I do not think that any of us around the table come into this job to make people’s lives worse. Regardless of our political perspectives, we are trying to improve things for people more generally.

I completely understand the impact that the closure has had. The committee has heard directly from people about that, as have I. As I have said, the measures that we have introduced are all about trying to strike the balance that you mentioned, bearing in mind the broader impact that such measures can have on communities.

It is important to recognise that there are broader issues that are having an impact on our fishing industry. I mentioned fuel costs. In addition, there are shortages when it comes to getting people to work on vessels, which can be a significant factor.

However, I recognise that the closure is part of the picture. I emphasise that I never take such decisions lightly—whether the one that we are discussing today or any decision that I have to make in my role as a minister—because I know that they have broader impacts. It is a question of striking a balance while meeting our legal objectives. That is why we have set out the order in the way that we have and are proposing the measures that we are.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Mairi Gougeon

We will provide that equipment, so the vessels will not have to pay for it.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Mairi Gougeon

Yes.