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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 3 September 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Mairi Gougeon

The overriding concern with the amendments is that they relate to reserved matters and, on that basis, they are outside the legislative competence of the Parliament. It is true that, as we have discussed around the table tonight, some functions that were transferred to Scotland are now exercised by Crown Estate Scotland. The Scottish Crown Estate Act 2019 already gives ministers powers to transfer or delegate management to local authorities or community organisations so that they can take on the management of assets in their area, including the foreshore. It is largely on that basis that I urge the committee not to support the amendments.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Mairi Gougeon

Yes, it would.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Mairi Gougeon

Yes.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Mairi Gougeon

I realise that amendment 379 follows similar amendments that we have discussed previously. Although the matter is of interest in my constituency, I make it clear that I am appearing before the committee today in my capacity as a minister of the Scottish Government. The position that I am presenting reflects the collective view of the Scottish Government and concerns a matter of law and policy for which I have ministerial responsibility. Separately, and in line with the Scottish ministerial code, I have made my views and those of my constituents known to the responsible minister in the appropriate way. The issue that is under discussion today is distinct from that constituency interest, and my contributions should therefore be understood as reflecting the Government’s position, not a personal or constituency-specific stance.

As members will be aware, the powers to legislate for the generation, transmission, distribution and supply of electricity are reserved in the Scotland Act 1998. Although I completely understand the concern that tenants might have about electricity infrastructure, amendment 379 is beyond the legislative competence of the Scottish Parliament and, accordingly, I urge members to oppose it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Mairi Gougeon

The purpose of the amendments in this group is to update the assignation and succession provisions for tenant farmers so that they align with the small landholdings provisions in the bill and to make a number of related and minor changes for clarity.

The main amendments in the group, amendments 230, 233, 305, 306 and 308, update the descriptions of the people to whom a lease under the 1991 act or the 2003 act can be assigned or passed in a person’s will. Those amendments make related changes to the definition of “near relative” across the assignation and succession provisions applying to tenant farmers, to reflect the updated descriptions.

The amendments also make procedural and technical changes, including the alignment of timescales in which a landlord can intimate that they are withholding their consent or are objecting to a proposed new tenant with those for small landholdings and the requirement that a person who succeeds a lease in a succession scenario must specify their relationship to the deceased tenant in order to help determine whether the person is a near relative. Those changes align the provisions for those forms of tenure with those in the bill for small landholders.

Amendments 208, 210, 212, 215 and 306 modify the succession provisions for small landholders and tenant farmers regarding the date on which the tenancy applies to an incoming small landholder or tenant following an objection by the landlord. Under the current provisions, those dates are inconsistent in relation to intestate scenarios and where the landlord objects to the person becoming the new tenant or small landholder. The amendments clarify and align the positions for both small landholders and tenant farmers.

Amendment 307 modernises the language in section 12C of the Agricultural Holdings (Scotland) Act 1991 to reflect the equivalent provisions for small landholdings in the schedule. The other amendments in the group are mainly minor. They are consequential or technical changes to the small landholdings or tenant farming provisions.

Amendments 184 to 205 and 213 make minor drafting changes. As you probably will be relieved to hear, the majority of those just make a grammatical change to the small landholdings provisions.

Amendments 206, 207, 209, 211 and 214 are minor drafting changes to the small landholdings provisions, amending references to “tenant” to “small landholder” for consistency with other parts of the schedule.

With that, I hope that the committee can support the amendments in my name in this group.

I move amendment 184.

Amendment 184 agreed to.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Mairi Gougeon

I do not have anything further to add, convener.

Amendment 497 agreed to.

Amendment 218 moved—[Tim Eagle].

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Mairi Gougeon

This group relates to the pre-emptive right-to-buy process for small landholders and 1991 act tenant farmers. The changes align the processes for those forms of tenure and make related amendments.

Amendment 225 modifies the right-to-buy measures for secure 1991 act agricultural tenancies and enables a tenant to exercise their right to buy when a landlord takes certain steps with a view to transferring the land and then fails to notify the tenant. The amendment clarifies when the tenant can exercise their right in those circumstances and aligns the position for tenant farmers with the small landholding provisions. The amendment also enables the Scottish ministers to make regulations for the timescales in which a tenant will be required to notify their landlord that they intend to buy the land. Those regulations would be subject to the affirmative procedure.

Amendments 221 and 309 provide for equivalent regulation-making powers in respect of small landholding provisions. Amendment 228 is related to amendment 225 and clarifies the date on which the land is valued in those circumstances. It also makes minor technical changes.

Amendments 224 and 229 make minor and technical changes to the right-to-buy measures for secure 1991 act agricultural tenancies, including the timescales in which an owner must send a copy of the extract of the tenant’s registration of interest to a creditor and any standard security.

Amendment 497 relates to small landholdings and makes a consequential change following on from amendment 488, in the group on small landholdings, which provides that the schedule does not apply to sub-leases. Amendment 497 removes the reference to excluding sub-tenants in the schedule, because it is redundant following the committee’s agreement to amendment 488.

I turn to Tim Eagle’s amendments 222 and 226, which seek to limit the powers in the bill for the Scottish ministers to make regulations for how small landowners and tenants can register their interest in acquiring the land comprised in their tenancy. We consider that the process of registering an interest in land should not be unduly burdensome and should enable transparency for parties who transact with the land. We consider that that is best achieved by working in partnership with stakeholders and Registers of Scotland to develop an improved registration process, and there is support for that from stakeholders more widely.

Amendments 222 and 226 would restrict the ability of the Scottish ministers to develop regulations in a way that meets stakeholders’ needs. The powers in the bill as currently drafted will enable ministers to give effect to an appropriate co-developed process, and the regulations will be subject to the affirmative procedure.

Amendment 218, from Tim Eagle, seeks to limit the ability of the Scottish ministers to update the list of exempt transfers that do not trigger the small landholders’ right to buy, and would require that the list could only be expanded. The power in the bill allows ministers to take into account how the measures are operating in practice—if ministers could only add transfers to the exempt list, that would limit their flexibility to respond to any changing circumstances in the future and to make changes quickly. The power to change the exempt transfer list needs to be sufficiently wide to enable the removal or modification of any transfer on the exempt list in order to ensure that the process operates in a fair and transparent manner. I ask the committee not to support that amendment.

Tim Eagle’s amendment 227 would require ministers to consult

“organisations with an interest in agricultural holdings”

before exercising the power to make regulations regarding the registration of a tenant’s interest under the 1991 act. The power already requires ministers to consult the keeper and the other persons who are

“likely to have an interest in the registration of interests to acquire land.”

Therefore, the consultation would already take place.

Although I do not think that it is necessary, and its wording is not quite right, I am happy to work with Tim Eagle on amendment 227 in advance of stage 3 and I ask that he does not move it today.

I move amendment 497.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Mairi Gougeon

I do not have anything further to add at this point, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Mairi Gougeon

In relation to the crofting element, I am sure that the convener will be aware that we have introduced crofting legislation, which covers some of the most pertinent issues.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Mairi Gougeon

I thank Rachael Hamilton for her points and I fully appreciate what she is trying to do. The reason why we do not support amendment 478 is that, through the “Natural Capital Market Framework” that we published last year, we are already providing what it specifically asks for. One of those principles is about ethical investment, and another is about the community benefit that should be expected. There are other measures in the bill, such as land management plans—which we have already discussed at length in the committee’s sessions so far—that I hope could address some of those issues in the future, because those measures are about wider community engagement.