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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

I appreciate that point, which I have also picked up through evidence.

What is key for us is that our proposals have an evidence base, which is why they are framed in the way that they are. I also completely appreciate the point that you make about aggregate holdings. However, the bill focuses on how communities are impacted by a high concentration of land ownership in an area, which would be harder to evidence if we were looking at overall ownership, which could be in other parts of the country, too. Bringing aggregate land holdings into the bill might not be appropriate to meet that aim and we would have to give that greater consideration.

I hope that that helps to explain the approach that we have taken. The focus is on the concentration of land ownership in an area, which becomes more difficult to evidence when looking at aggregate holdings.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

I do not think that any of those issues are particularly easy to work through. Some of them have been on-going, and we have tried to tackle issues in previous legislation. We want to ensure that we get the right balance and address any issues where they exist. The pre-emptive right-to-buy measures that we have brought forward have been discussed largely with the tenant farming advisory forum. Ultimately, it is about trying to make that process clearer, and I want to be clear with the committee that we will discuss any regulations and will develop them very much with the industry.

As part of those measures, we would seek to repeal section 99 of the Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2016. It was felt that, if that section was commenced, there would be a lack of clarity on how the process would operate. There was a general consensus that there should be registration but that the process could be improved.

I hand over to Fiona Leslie, who has been dealing with the issue and will be able to provide the committee with more information.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

Absolutely.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

The bill is opening ownership up. All that will have to be factored in to the tests and our decisions in relation to lotting. It is a question of what should be taken into consideration as part of that, in seeking positive outcomes for communities. For instance, a housing development trust or a new business might look to buy land. It is about diversity and increasing the supply of land. That will be the key aim of lotting decisions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

We have had to introduce the provision as it is because of what must be taken into consideration in the public interest, our direction of how that is used and why the measure is proportionate in respect of what we are talking about.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

We will, of course, listen to all the views that have been expressed to the committee. It all comes back to the idea that you can meet the Government’s objectives only if you are doing things at scale, which is not necessarily helpful. I have visited various estates and seen incredible work being done, but I see the same when I visit smaller landholdings. I do not think that it necessarily needs to be one or the other in order to meet the Government’s objectives—indeed, I do not think that that is the case elsewhere, when we consider international comparisons.

We recognise the role and importance of private investment, because the public purse will never have enough funding to enable all the activity that we need to see to meet our climate and nature targets. However, we must try to tackle the issues that we have with the scale and concentration of land ownership, and the impact that that has on communities. Via the measures in the bill, we have proposed a way to try to address the issues, and that is what is important.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

I will bring in Andy Proudfoot.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

Quite a few people who have given evidence to the committee have raised that issue. I think that I touched on this in a previous response, but, ultimately, the role is proposed in this way to provide for separation between the commission’s regulatory and advisory roles.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

Yes, I am happy to do that, and I will bring in Andy Proudfoot to provide more detail. I believe that some of the costs and ranges in the policy document are based on the detailed work that some public agencies undertake in relation to land management plans and their costs.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Mairi Gougeon

I think that Andy wants to come in.