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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 September 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

I do not know the answer to that. I will ask Allan Gibb.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

That is vital and critical to our ability to move forward. The meeting that we had to talk about the closed area was positive, in the sense that environmental stakeholders and fishers were all at the table. We would like more work to be done to bring people together to consider how we can move forward. Environmental protection is absolutely critical, but we must consider the socioeconomic impact of the measures that we take, too. You raise an important point and we are committed to having such dialogue.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

As I have set out, ultimately, the policy objective is to protect spawning cod and to try to increase the overall stock. If we did not have the closure in place and activity was to resume, there could be a further impact on the stock, which, so far, has not recovered, despite the closures in previous years. We want to give the stock in the Clyde the best chance that we can to recover. Ultimately, removal of the closure could put that at risk.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

I think that we are due to make announcements on the future catching policy in the coming weeks. I would be happier to talk to the committee about that at that point rather than go into further detail today.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

I will ask Allan Gibb to talk about some of the structures that we have in place for that but, to touch on a point that I mentioned in response to Karen Adam, one of the positive measures has been the ability to get all stakeholders together to discuss the closure and to assess how we can move forward from that. I am keen to do that as we move forward. Allan Gibb can provide more information on some of the other structures.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

As I said in a previous response, we have not been looking to do that. That is consistent with other measures that we have taken in other areas where we have prevented activity from taking place, such as with the North Sea cod avoidance plan. It is also consistent with the Inner Sound MPA, where we prevented any activity from taking place. We are not looking to introduce compensation.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

I will definitely take a few lessons from the process. It was hard to read and hear the evidence about the lack of trust, because that is something that I am keen to rebuild. Throughout our work with stakeholders and the co-management process that we normally strive to achieve, the approach has not been ideal. There has traditionally been strong collaboration with our different stakeholders. Those are the lessons that I will take away from the process.

There were a number of different impacts that meant that we were very constrained in the time that we had in which to deal with the matter, which is why we have ended up in this situation. We hope to meet with stakeholders after the closure so that we can assess the impact of that. From that, I hope to foster greater collaboration and make sure that we learn the lessons from this process, so that we are not in a similar situation again. I will definitely take that away, and I look forward to increased and further collaboration with our stakeholders.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

That is not true. As I said, a variety of different factors have fed into our change in position and have ultimately led to the SSI that is before the committee today. Through listening to all those different points of view, and through going over the science and the evidence that are available, we have reached the best outcome, which is achieving the policy objective of giving enhanced protection to spawning cod while trying to balance those other interests.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

I do not know that information off the top of my head, but, if there is information that I can provide to the committee, I will be sure to do that.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Mairi Gougeon

I recognise that the measure comes on the back of a really challenging time for people. The loss of EU markets has had a stark impact, including in relation to labour issues. I met you and some of your constituents to talk about those very issues.

We have talked through the process of how we reached the decision and the financial information that is taken into account when looking at decisions such as this. Undoubtedly, this has been a particularly difficult time for the industry because of some of the other issues that you outlined.