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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 June 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Monica Lennon

Good morning, panel. I did not catch all the details, but you gave an example just a second ago. My first question is to ask how the Scottish National Investment Bank is currently supporting the transition to a circular economy in Scotland and how that links to your mission and investment principles—for example, to seek to invest where the private market is failing and to be a patient and ethical investor.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2022-23

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Monica Lennon

Do you accept that we do not really know the full extent of the problem because of the lack of overflow monitors? That is why people have been calling for more electronic monitoring. You gave a figure, but perhaps you could update the committee on what progress has been made on the commitment to install 1,000 new overflow monitors.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2022-23

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Monica Lennon

Yes, we are back to me, convener.

Alex, you mentioned pay. Can you give us an update on the current status of pay negotiations with the trade unions?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2022-23

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Monica Lennon

That is very disappointing to hear. Strike action that results in loss of take-home pay for workers is always a last resort. That is a pretty desperate place to be, with the cost of living crisis.

It is worth going over some of the things that the unions have said in the past couple of weeks. Some of the comments predate the ACAS meeting, but let us get them on the record.

Unison said that there has been no meaningful engagement with Scottish Water bosses—which I guess is the people in front of us just now—that there has been a withholding of information from trade unions, and that

“there is a feeling amongst members that Scottish Water bosses are behaving like Victorian Mill owners”.

Those are serious statements.

The GMB says that Scottish Water is acting like a “rogue employer”. It also said:

“It has been astonishing to watch and a masterclass in how to demolish good and productive industrial relations.”

I could continue with more quotations. All that is pretty damning, is it not?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2022-23

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Monica Lennon

Some of the complaints that we hear are about examples of human waste being overflowed into rivers and on to beaches, even when the system is not under abnormal stress. We have heard about some of the good performance and benchmarking compared with other parts of Britain, but for people in Scotland right now, is there an acceptable level of human waste that could be overflowed in that way? What is an acceptable level to Scottish Water?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Monica Lennon

That was just an example. You mentioned wind, so do you want to expand on that? What do you think the opportunities might be there?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Monica Lennon

That is helpful. I have a final question, and I will stick with you, Jimmy. You mentioned KPIs. What metrics and KPIs do you use in assessing investments to support the transition to a circular economy? You just talked about supply chains. Do you look systematically across the supply chain of a project? Does that include looking at things such as the ethical extraction of virgin resources, embodied carbon, biodiversity impact and the circularity of resources? Are you confident that your investment criteria are robust enough to avoid any harm in those areas?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2022-23

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Monica Lennon

I am not a union negotiator. Given what we have heard about your annual report and your performance—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Monica Lennon

To build on that, can you say a little more about the key opportunities to integrate circular economy principles across your missions of net zero, improving places and harnessing innovation? Will you look at circular economy principles when you are investing in housing, energy projects or technology, for example?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2022-23

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Monica Lennon

That was helpful. Before I forget the number, you mentioned that overflows are 91 per cent rainwater, but I am not sure what the total volume is. Can you tell us the volume of human waste that is overflowed?