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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2022-23

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Monica Lennon

Thank you, and good morning to the panel. This question is for Alex Plant. I would be interested to hear more about your experience of the water industry in England and to understand what lessons can be learned by drawing on your experience. We have heard that you worked for Anglian Water, which is probably one of the worst polluters in England, on record. I have in front of me examples of the Environment Agency calling for water company bosses to be jailed for serious offences against the environment. Incidents of “ecocide” have been described. Drawing on that experience in that context, what hope can you give us for the situation in Scotland?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2022-23

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Monica Lennon

Thank you for that response. The situation in England is, or has been, pretty bleak, but I am sure that we do not want to gloss over some of the media coverage that we had in Scotland at the weekend. Some really hard-hitting statements were made and Scottish Water has contested some of the analysis, but let us just look at people’s perception and what they are saying.

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Surfers Against Sewage has accused Scottish Water of “appalling behaviour”. Campaigners and politicians—I will not name them all here—fear that the lack of spill monitoring could mean that dry spilling is a bigger issue than the data indicates. Scottish Water is accused of illegally discharging hundreds of times during dry weather, and soiling beauty spots, much-loved beaches and so on with human waste. We have seen the media coverage and heard the reaction from politicians, communities and key campaigners. As chief executive officer, what is your assessment of that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2022-23

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Monica Lennon

We can come back to the methodology, which is in dispute, but, for clarity, do you dispute the impact on communities and the environment? Are people exaggerating the impact?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2022-23

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Monica Lennon

You mentioned misleading media reporting and headlines. Is Scottish Water planning to take any legal action in that regard?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Monica Lennon

Good morning, panel. I did not catch all the details, but you gave an example just a second ago. My first question is to ask how the Scottish National Investment Bank is currently supporting the transition to a circular economy in Scotland and how that links to your mission and investment principles—for example, to seek to invest where the private market is failing and to be a patient and ethical investor.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2022-23

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Monica Lennon

Do you accept that we do not really know the full extent of the problem because of the lack of overflow monitors? That is why people have been calling for more electronic monitoring. You gave a figure, but perhaps you could update the committee on what progress has been made on the commitment to install 1,000 new overflow monitors.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2022-23

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Monica Lennon

Yes, we are back to me, convener.

Alex, you mentioned pay. Can you give us an update on the current status of pay negotiations with the trade unions?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2022-23

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Monica Lennon

That is very disappointing to hear. Strike action that results in loss of take-home pay for workers is always a last resort. That is a pretty desperate place to be, with the cost of living crisis.

It is worth going over some of the things that the unions have said in the past couple of weeks. Some of the comments predate the ACAS meeting, but let us get them on the record.

Unison said that there has been no meaningful engagement with Scottish Water bosses—which I guess is the people in front of us just now—that there has been a withholding of information from trade unions, and that

“there is a feeling amongst members that Scottish Water bosses are behaving like Victorian Mill owners”.

Those are serious statements.

The GMB says that Scottish Water is acting like a “rogue employer”. It also said:

“It has been astonishing to watch and a masterclass in how to demolish good and productive industrial relations.”

I could continue with more quotations. All that is pretty damning, is it not?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Scottish Water Annual Report and Accounts 2022-23

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Monica Lennon

Some of the complaints that we hear are about examples of human waste being overflowed into rivers and on to beaches, even when the system is not under abnormal stress. We have heard about some of the good performance and benchmarking compared with other parts of Britain, but for people in Scotland right now, is there an acceptable level of human waste that could be overflowed in that way? What is an acceptable level to Scottish Water?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Monica Lennon

That was just an example. You mentioned wind, so do you want to expand on that? What do you think the opportunities might be there?