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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Monica Lennon

So, that is the procedure. What are the likely consequences? Could they involve a bus operator saying that it is no longer viable to provide a certain route or service? Is that what we are talking about?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Monica Lennon

Okay. You sound confident. Can we see the modelling after this meeting? Can it be shared with the committee?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Monica Lennon

Okay.

We have talked a lot today about the cap on the older and disabled persons scheme, and the reasons for it. We look forward to seeing some of the homework and modelling behind that. There has been a lot of discussion, both in Parliament and outside Parliament, about the ageing population and some of the challenges that we have with demographics. In your role with buses, are you protective of the current age limit, or do you think that it could be raised? Have you been involved in discussing that with officials or colleagues? Are you able to give any reassurance today that the qualifying age for the older persons bus pass will not be raised as long as you are connectivity minister?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Monica Lennon

So, that is not a red line for you?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Monica Lennon

It has been a really good session. Thank you, minister, for your responses. I will support the motion, but I have a couple of points to make that I hope will be kept in mind.

We need to ensure that some flexibility is built in, particularly around the young persons travel scheme, because there are challenges not just in Central Scotland but across the country around school transport. It is about making sure that different systems can work together.

I am reassured to hear about the engagement with bus operators and with business, but I reiterate the point about the wider engagement that is needed with our communities. Those who already use the bus and those who want to use the bus face many barriers. We have talked before in the committee about bus deserts, which are areas across Scotland where people just cannot get a bus any longer, and that is a worry.

I appreciate the commitments that the minister has made today, particularly on engagement with MSPs such as me who have challenges in our areas at the moment. I will support the motion.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Monica Lennon

I want to briefly touch on the proposed human rights bill, because there are obviously high expectations around the right to a healthy environment. I was not able to be here in January for the session on environmental governance, but I looked at the Official Report and noted that Lloyd Austin, on behalf of Scottish Environment LINK, said that

“there is a risk that we will have a human right to a healthy environment that is a human right on paper and is not an effective and enforceable one.”

He went on to talk about the link between the governance debate and the human rights bill and said that

“in order to make the human rights bill effective, the governance questions need to be answered.”—[Official Report, Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee, 16 January 2024; c 42.]

It is quite frustrating that what we have heard today and from others is that the Scottish Government is perhaps not being serious enough about the issue.

We will leave the Wikipedia issue for others to investigate. I know that my Wikipedia page is not accurate—I do not know how it can be fixed—because I am a planner, not a surveyor. That has been in there for a couple of years, and I cannot seem to get it sorted out.

How can the Government demonstrate that it is serious about the issue? What is the timeline for getting this right? The human rights bill is coming to the Parliament and, with regard to the compliance committee, there is a deadline of later this year to demonstrate what the Government is going to do. Is this time critical?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Monica Lennon

What happens in the scenario where the cap is reached? What would be the impact on bus operators and users? You have talked about the modelling of this. What are the risk factors? How likely is the scenario that the cap could be reached within the financial year?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Monica Lennon

I am a little concerned. We discussed earlier how we want to get more people on to buses and sustainable transport. We want to ensure that that is sustainable. We could reach the cap if we continue to be successful in getting people on to buses, and we are asking operators to provide concessionary travel at a much reduced rate to them. They could come back and tell the minister or Transport Scotland that they can no longer run a service because it is not commercially viable. Is that part of your modelling? Do you have any reassuring answers, not only for people in my area of Central Scotland, but for all of us?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Monica Lennon

That is wonderful. Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Monica Lennon

That is a perfect segue, as I was wanting to ask for an update on the fair fares review. Minister, you said that we would have another discussion “when it reports”. Can you give an indication as to when that will be? How might the review impact on concessionary fares in the future?