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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Governance Stocktake

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Monica Lennon

I want to pick up on local government. We know that some councils have set net zero targets that are even more ambitious than the Scottish Government’s targets. From your work on Scottish climate governance arrangements and on Scottish councils’ approaches to addressing climate change, can you comment on how well placed our councils are to meet their net zero ambitions?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Governance Stocktake

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Monica Lennon

I appreciate that there are different targets and situations for different councils, but how confident are you that Scotland’s councils can meet their net zero ambitions? Are the targets realistic?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Climate Change Governance Stocktake

Meeting date: 12 March 2024

Monica Lennon

Can you point to any really good examples of collaboration? Obviously, at a high level, there is the Verity house agreement. In practice, where do we see really good collaborative approaches between local government and the Scottish Government emerging?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Monica Lennon

You protect £100,000. When Dr Dixon said earlier that communities might face a bill of around £30,000 to £40,000 for bringing a judicial review, that seemed to me to be the lower end of the scale. In my region, communities have been advised previously that the cost would range from £50,000 to £100,000, so maybe you have access to good-value lawyers. How many cases could that money fund? Would it be two or three cases at the most?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Monica Lennon

Maybe the word “cap” is not the right word to use. In reality, there could be one case a year, so if a few cases were in front of you, you would have to choose which was the most serious.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Monica Lennon

A lot has been said already, particularly in Dr Dixon’s helpful opening remarks, but I will stick with the issue of Aarhus compliance. ESS has said:

“In principle, a court, tribunal or other judicial measures ... would help support better access to environmental justice for Scotland”.

Can you give examples of what “other judicial measures” could mean?

Planning has been mentioned a couple of times. In a previous session of Parliament, Graham Simpson and I were on the Local Government and Communities Committee, which looked at the Planning (Scotland) Bill and the opportunities that existed to make the process more democratic, for example by having rights of appeal. You said that a merits-based review is important when it comes to Aarhus compliance, but developers have that right now through the planning appeals process, while communities and—to use that horrible phrase—third parties do not.

What is meant by “other judicial measures”? Could we look at tweaking the planning system to get more equality around appeals to help with access to environmental justice?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Monica Lennon

Do you agree with Scottish Environment LINK and others that there needs to be an independent review of the case for an environmental court or tribunal?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Monica Lennon

On that, your annual report mentioned there being an advisory panel on international developments. Has there been progress on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Monica Lennon

That is helpful. I do not know whether Dr Dixon wants to add anything.

I was struck by a passage in the same press release, which said:

“MEPs also ensured that member states will organise specialised training for police, judges and prosecutors, prepare national strategies and organise awareness-raising campaigns to fight environmental crime.”

That seems very much linked to our earlier discussion of environmental governance and access to justice. Are you aware of similar commitments to embed training and upskilling of people who are on the front line and who are trying to do those difficult jobs at the moment? Dr Dixon, have you had any involvement in that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Monica Lennon

Welcome, minister, and congratulations on your appointment.