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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Monica Lennon

Okay, so you recognise that additional guidance is perhaps required.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Monica Lennon

Is there still work to be done on having a clear plan to address that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Monica Lennon

I will ask about emerging contaminants, such as microplastics and forever chemicals, that are in sewage sludge and how they might affect human health and the environment. It is fair to say that there is still a lot that we do not know, so we need to get that knowledge and robust evidence. In that context, we have heard from stakeholders about the safe sludge matrix being out of date. Can you give the committee an update today on what the Government has been doing to improve that understanding and evidence and on what the timescale is in relation to the safe sludge matrix?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Monica Lennon

I do not have a hot tub, but I feel that I will have to ask more questions about that subject in future.

I want to ask about issues with odour from sewage sludge, because some stakeholders have raised concerns about the regulations. Can you clarify whether the regulations are designed to have an impact on odour issues, and if so, how do you anticipate that those changes will reduce odour complaints?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Monica Lennon

So the intention is, through the regulations, to reduce—it is hoped—the impact of odour, which would lead to a reduction in complaints, but if there are complaints, members of the public should go to the local authority in the first instance.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Monica Lennon

Okay—thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Monica Lennon

That sounds shambolic. Many constituents and communities across Scotland are worried that they do not have any effective means of challenging decisions about the environment that are made by public authorities We know that judicial review is very expensive and that it looks at process rather than the merit of a decision. It sounds as though you are saying that there is no real leadership.

We on the committee are all well aware that Scotland has a serious nature and climate emergency to tackle. Hearing words such as “lacklustre” and “shoddy” and the Government passing the independent watchdog of the ESS a “poisoned chalice” is quite alarming. Where does Scotland go from here?

To pick up on the point about the lack of data reporting, I am keen to get some clarity about the timeline. It sounds as though, if we eventually report that data, there will be quite a big gap in time. It worries me that we are creating opportunities for polluters to continue to wreck and damage Scotland’s environment with little consequence.

What more can ESS do on environmental governance? Who needs to be held to account on the gap in and reporting of environmental data?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Monica Lennon

I hope that you do not mind me interrupting you, Richard. You do not appear very confident on the issue. Data that is collected but not analysed or reported does not serve any purpose. Can you be more precise about the topics that you are referring to? When you say that the environmental data is either being collected and not reported or it is not being collected, can you give some examples to the committee of what you mean?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Environmental Standards Scotland (Annual Report and Accounts 2023-24 and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Monica Lennon

To recap, we are in breach of the Aarhus convention because people do not have proper rights to challenge environmental decisions by public bodies, the Scottish Government does not appear committed to enacting a right to a healthy environment and we do not seem to have a proper system of collecting and reporting environmental data. Do the Scottish Government and the other public bodies that have a role take the climate and nature emergency seriously enough?

11:45  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 March 2025

Monica Lennon

Thanks for that.

One of the recommendations in the 2016 review was that planning guidance on the use of sewage sludge in land restoration should be reviewed. I do not think that that has happened yet. Can you give an update?