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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 March 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

NatureScot (Annual Report and Accounts and Future Priorities)

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Monica Lennon

I strongly agree that we need a joined-up approach.

I am watching the clock; the convener is sitting right there. I just have one more question, convener, about the progress that we need to make on the 30 by 30 target. What progress has NatureScot made in assessing potential areas for other effective area-based conservation measures—OECMs—and how have you been engaging with land managers? When might we see the first OECMs put in place?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Monica Lennon

In order for us to make a judgment on the instrument, we need to fully understand the Government’s intention. What I am not hearing clearly enough—I am giving you an opportunity to put this on the record so that people who are listening understand the Government’s position—is that the Government takes a zero-tolerance approach to not just antisocial behaviour but serious violence and abuse on Scotland’s buses.

There are people at home and people at work who are frightened to go on a bus. To have a free bus pass or to be able to use Scotland’s buses is a privilege. If people do not respect that and do not have due regard for others, that puts other people at risk and, frankly, it keeps people off our public transport network. Is it the Government’s intention to be robust and to be straight with people who are the victims of crime in saying that the Government is on their side and has their back, rather than it just being a matter of the issue being considered by officials and every case being looked at individually?

Colleagues have alluded to very serious crimes that have happened. Mark Ruskell is right to say that we must name crimes such as sexual assault and not just hide such incidents behind the language of antisocial behaviour.

Does the minister agree with the points that I am making? On reflection, to people in Scotland who are behaving badly and who are engaging in criminality, is it clear that the measure that you have put forward today will cover the whole spectrum of behaviour? Does the minister recognise that, if we talk about antisocial behaviour, that sounds like behaviour at the lower end of the spectrum?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Monica Lennon

I must come back in. I will try to keep my remarks short. I am listening carefully, minister, but every time that you are asked for clarification, you seem to delegate that answer somewhere else. The Parliament will want to know what we are being asked to support, both today and when the matter goes to the Parliament. I will not mention individual cases, but members of the Parliament will have in their minds cases of very serious violence and sexual assault, and other cases, in their constituencies or regions. However, you are not able to tell the Parliament what your intention is.

You are the minister, you have the responsibility and a lot of influence here, but you do not know what criteria would be available or when it would be acceptable for someone who has sexually assaulted a passenger or a bus driver to retain a bus pass or win an appeal. It seems that you have no view on that and are happy to leave the matter to others to decide on in the future.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Monica Lennon

So, you do have a view. Will you please tell us what it is?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Monica Lennon

It is important to understand the policy intention. If the intention is zero tolerance of crime and—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Monica Lennon

Yes, so why are we just talking about antisocial behaviour?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Monica Lennon

I will make no such declaration, convener.

Minister, I want to pick up on what you said about young people and those in education telling you that the scheme has been a game changer for them and that they really value it. As we know, the scheme is about opening up opportunities for young people, as well as changing behaviours; indeed, you said that it was habit forming. In the conversations that you are having, are you open to the scheme being expanded so that young people who go over the age of 22 but who are still in education and training can continue to benefit from it? At the moment, just as they have started to get used to the bus they no longer have the benefit of the card. Where do you sit on that issue?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Monica Lennon

Committees are always curious about ministers’ views. You have had these conversations with young people, and you have said that they are talking about the benefits of the scheme. We are exploring what more could be done in policy terms. Would the sort of extension that I have referred to be desirable, if the funding were available?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Monica Lennon

Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 February 2026

Monica Lennon

That is helpful.