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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Monica Lennon

Would you like to add to that, Jane? I guess that, as someone who works on the front line of planning, you are very familiar with applicants pushing back when they look at all the policies and saying, “Ah, but this will mean extra jobs,” or, “We cannot afford to put this into the scheme.” Is there a lot of pressure on planners to let things slide sometimes?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Monica Lennon

Good morning, panel. I was just listening to the answers to Fiona Hyslop’s questions, and I thought that Robbie Calvert was right to say that this sort of thing is not new to planners and that planners have been working with sustainable development since the early 1990s. With regard to climate and nature issues, do you think that sufficient weight is being given to the net zero agenda or are planners being expected to take everything into account and try to be all things to all people, which means that we are still not getting that clear emphasis? From a development management point of view, where does net zero sit for most planners in the pecking order of material considerations? That question is for Robbie Calvert first and then Pam Ewen.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Monica Lennon

That is interesting and a point that we could push through. In the past, this committee has asked Scottish Enterprise to define a green job, which it was not able to do, but having planning given as an example of a green job could open some doors.

I have a final question—I know that we are pushed for time, and I am trying to catch the convener’s eye. I want to ask about 20-minute neighbourhoods. Previous generations of planners could say that they had helped to create new towns. When we look at the challenges and opportunities ahead now, we want to see planners at the heart of creating 20-minute neighbourhoods, which in many cases would involve working with what we already have. Is that a way to encourage people into planning and motivate the current planning workforce? What are the main opportunities and barriers? Perhaps we could come to Pam Ewen, Jane Tennant and then Robbie Calvert if there is time, convener—I am getting the eye, so could you be very brief, panel?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Monica Lennon

Thank you, Pam, for that very good and brief answer.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Monica Lennon

Thank you, Robbie. Do you want to comment, Pam?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Monica Lennon

That is great. Thank you. As we are pushed for time, I will move on to my other question, which is about planning. That will not surprise you, given the questions that I asked in our previous session. I feel that I am putting Chris Brodie under the spotlight, but he told us that he is also a former planner. Some points were made about planning apprenticeships, which exist in England. Is Skills Development Scotland looking at that?

I was also interested in what Simon Hewitt said about colleges being anchor institutions. We have talked a lot about routes into planning, especially through universities, but we have not really heard about opportunities in further education. Are there routes for planning technicians, for example? It would be great to hear a few words from our panellists about that and about planning apprenticeships.

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Monica Lennon

It is okay—welcome to the club.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Monica Lennon

Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Monica Lennon

This has been a very interesting session. I say that as a former young planner and former planner, but it is great to be talking about the future of planning today.

It will be no surprise that I believe that planning jobs are the ultimate green jobs and also that the profession and the opportunities for planners need more visibility.

Going back to the point about routes into the profession and universities, I am old enough to say that I studied planning in the late 1990s at the University of Strathclyde. That is no longer an option for planners, but there are two universities in Scotland where you can study planning as an undergraduate: the University of Dundee and Heriot-Watt University. Thinking about what Robbie Calvert said about being more diverse and thinking about people from more working-class backgrounds, I know that, when I go to schools, lots of young people want to talk about planning even if they do not know what the planning profession is, because they know that planning is all around them. This generation is more aware of and more passionate about environmental, social and economic justice.

What would I say to young people in Central Scotland, for example, who cannot afford to move away to Dundee or cannot even travel to Heriot-Watt because public transport is very expensive in this country? What routes are available to them right now and do we have enough planning schools in Scotland?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Monica Lennon

And the last word goes to the future of planning, Jane Tennant.