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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 September 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Monica Lennon

To go back to the Norway model, you said in the Caledonian Inquirer in December:

“If you tendered and debundled, you would get the private sector coming in and operating services in corridors and different routes, but still regulated by a transport authority, as they do in Norway.”

On the other side, I have heard concerns that people who call for that are really calling for companies such as Serco and P&O, which are not as generous with wages and conditions, to come in and bid for profitable lifeline routes. Is that what you would like to see?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Monica Lennon

Thank you. That is helpful.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Monica Lennon

We are aware of your petition to the Parliament. There is probably not a lot of time left, but can you briefly say how you think that could be best achieved?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Monica Lennon

I am keen to hear from Neil Kay. How do you respond to concerns that unbundling the Clyde and Hebrides ferry service contracts could lead to private operators cherry picking routes and leaving the state to operate the most difficult or unprofitable routes?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Monica Lennon

Can you respond to the same question, Kirsty, if you have anything that you want to add?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Monica Lennon

So that we can be clear when we are making comparisons, I believe that there are around 44 million passengers every year in Norway, which is 10 times the Clyde and Hebrides ferry services network number—is that correct?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Monica Lennon

Okay.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Monica Lennon

Good morning to the panel. How does the community board gather the views of ferry users, and how are they conveyed to CalMac? I will come to the chair first.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Monica Lennon

It sounds as though those relationships are really important.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Monica Lennon

I will begin by referring to my voluntary entry on trade union interests in the register of members’ interests.

I had questions about bundling, but your positions were set out in the quite comprehensive opening remarks.

Norway has been mentioned quite a lot. I am keen to ask a little more about that model. Roy Pedersen has expressed the view that it would be his preferred model for unbundling. From my reading, the situation in Norway is different from that in Scotland, and things are on a different scale there. Ferry services in Norway take around 10 times the number of passengers we transport in Scotland, and there is still public subsidy for the four private companies there. Are you aware of the extent of that public subsidy? I know that the figures were not included in project Neptune.

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