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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 January 2026
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Richard Leonard

That is fine. To go back to your previous answer, does that situation not get us into events such as the recent controversy about the recommendations over the women against state pension inequality at a UK level? The Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman made a recommendation around maladministration by the Department for Work and Pensions and called for universal compensation payments to be made. Of course, to its shame, the Labour Government has decided not to pay out compensation but simply to issue an apology.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Richard Leonard

I will be a bit more granular in my question. You have key performance indicators. What are they? In your written submission, you have mentioned qualitative indicators. What are those? You write about benchmarking against other organisations. Which organisations? Which KPIs do you benchmark against?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Richard Leonard

My next question is for clarification. We have been told that you have 80 full-time equivalent staff, which is quite a large number of employees compared to some of the other commissions and commissioners. Presumably, it therefore makes some sense for you to lead on things such as HR functions.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Richard Leonard

That is a different question, is it not?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Richard Leonard

You have powers of statutory investigation. Do you have powers of statutory enforcement?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Yes. We are allowed to comment on that, but I recognise that you may not be.

I will turn to a couple of more technical questions that I hope that you will be able to answer in full. There are issues around measurement and reporting mechanisms. What are the gaps in the current reporting mechanisms that you use? Are there obstacles that you have identified? How are you, as the ombudsman, addressing those?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Is your performance captured, recorded and publicly available?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 6 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Yes. The other question that I wanted to ask if we had the time is about the measures that you have implemented to make sure that your office functions well within the landscape around public bodies, commissions and commissioners. Can you comment on that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow (Holdings) Limited”

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed. This has been a very useful session for us. The point of it was to shed light. At times, we have had a bit of heat, but I think that we have had a fair amount of light as well. Mr Miller, it is important that the points made collectively by our witnesses are on the public record, to ensure that they are clear for all to see.

As we discussed, you will perhaps supply us with further information. Mr Irwin, we are looking forward to Friday, when documents on due diligence will be produced. We might get back to you in the light of our having read those. We will also reflect on your invitation to revisit the yard. I think that there might be some benefit in our doing so, but that will be for the committee to decide.

I thank all our witnesses. We wish you luck with your continued endeavours. We want you to succeed, which is why we sometimes ask quite difficult questions.

11:56 Meeting continued in private until 12:25.