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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

This is my final question. Does the Scottish Government have a limit on what staff can spend on meals per head?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

What do you mean by a “long-standing relationship”?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Okay. When you appeared before us in March, you told us that, through your committee meetings,

“we had regular conversations about public reaction to excessive spend, so there were challenges at the time. There was a lot of pushback, but we kept up that challenge.”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 21 March 2024; c 17.]

So, which is it? Was it a surprise that that was the way that governance arrangements were working and that that is how the approval process was being interpreted, or was it a long-standing battle that you were having with the former chief executive officer?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Yes—as long as you are not going to read out a rehearsed contribution. We would like you to answer the questions that we are putting to you, Mr MacRae.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Okay. That is not an entirely satisfactory ending, but I thank you all for taking part in this morning’s evidence session. I appreciate that it has been long and, at times, quite testing, so thank you for your co-operation. There are a number of areas that the committee will want to follow up, and I think that we have agreed that you will get some more information to us to help us understand both what has gone on and what is happening.

Again, I thank Catherine Williams, Kersti Berge, Michelle Quinn, David Satti, Donald MacRae and Robin McGill for their time—it is much appreciated. We will consider our next steps as a committee. I now close the public part of this morning’s meeting.

11:18 Meeting continued in private until 11:31.  

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Very briefly.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

In the interests of time, we will move straight to Graham Simpson, who will ask the final round of questions.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

So it is a no-alcohol policy now.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Okay. I will turn to Michelle Quinn. One of the other things that have come out of the evidence that we have seen so far is that the former deputy director was also present at some of the meals that involved purchasing alcohol with the credit card. What is the position of the DG net zero on that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 Audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 September 2024

Richard Leonard

Rather than participating in something like that, do you not think that it would have been his role to challenge that?