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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 30 April 2025
Richard Leonard
We have had previous conversations with you about the medium-term financial strategy being delayed. It was delayed last year. Is it being delayed this year? Is there going to be a delay in the publication of the major capital projects list? Those are matters of concern to the Public Audit Committee.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 30 April 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much. We thought that it would be useful to have some of those scene-setting discussions at the start of this morning’s session, but we now want to get into some of the specifics of the work programme.
First, the section 23 report on national health service governance is coming out in May, or from tomorrow onwards. The Public Audit Committee not just in this session but in previous sessions of Parliament has had some long-standing concerns about the extent to which leadership and governance in the NHS are working as they ought to be. Without pre-empting too much of the report that you are about to publish, do you see signs of improvements being made to leadership and governance in our national health service?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 30 April 2025
Richard Leonard
Moving on to another area that you will be reporting on—the adult disability payment, which is administered by Social Security Scotland—I note that, in your presentation, you very tactfully said that,
“Social security spending is increasingly outstripping Barnett consequentials in Scotland.”
My reading of the UK Government’s recently published green paper suggests that that situation is going to get a whole lot worse. If I have read correctly what is being proposed, there are the cuts to universal credit and the eligibility criteria for that, but what will have a more direct bearing on the adult disability payment are the proposed changes to the personal independence payment. As I read it, an aim in the green paper is to cut eligibility. Assessments are based on scores; I think that the score thresholds to qualify for PIP will rise, and the Office for Budget Responsibility has estimated that 800,000 people will face a minimum cut of £4,200 per annum.
The effect of that on the consequentials for the Social Security Scotland budget is quite profound, is it not? Do I read it correctly that the pressures that you have identified in relation to where we are now are likely to be exacerbated significantly in the future, never mind the individual consequences for the outcomes for people in receipt of those payments?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 30 April 2025
Richard Leonard
We look forward to your report.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 30 April 2025
Richard Leonard
That was useful. I come back to Graham Simpson, who has a couple of other issues that he wants to raise with you.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 30 April 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you for your co-operation with that final round of questions and all the other questions that we have put to you this morning. It has been extremely useful for us.
I thank Mark MacPherson, Alison Cumming and the Auditor General for being available this morning to give us insight into their work programme. It is a consultation process and we will need to consider how best to canvass the views of other parts of the Parliament and to feed back their views on the indicative work programme.
The committee will now move into private session.
11:04 Meeting continued in private until 12:13.Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 30 April 2025
Richard Leonard
Okay. This is the final part of my final question. This morning’s discussion has been about the work that Audit Scotland is able to carry out before we hit the buffer of March next year, when the Parliament is dissolved and we go into election mode. Is it your working expectation that the assurance that you will be able to provide on the pre-nationalisation phase of Ferguson Marine will be available before we hit that buffer?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 April 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you. In the interests of time, we will move on to questions from Colin Beattie.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 April 2025
Richard Leonard
We have also been debating whether the sale of Scottish Bus Group took place in the 1980s or the 1990s. I think that it was the 1990s when the bus companies were sold off, but we can check that in due course.
Thank you very much indeed for giving us a very full evidence session with some very co-operative and helpful answers to our questions. We look forward to seeing delivery plans, measurable milestones and the monitoring arrangements set out in a transparent form, so that we can understand what progress is being made. As a committee, we are always very keen to get data and analysis and a transparent view of how decisions have been made and what the governance arrangements are, so I have no doubt that we will follow those up.
I thank the Transport Scotland representatives, Heather Cowan, Fiona Brown and Alison Irvine, and the COSLA representatives, Gail Macgregor and Robert Nicol. Cabinet secretary, thanks to you for shouldering most of the burden of the answers that were called for this morning. Thank you very much indeed for your time and your input.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 April 2025
Richard Leonard
Yes. Thank you.
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