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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Richard Leonard

On your last point, does the system have a behavioural impact? Presumably, the board of Glasgow Kelvin College has made a decision to dispose of that asset in the west end of Glasgow, which is a high-value location. However, if it does not necessarily benefit at all from the proceeds of that sale, where is the incentive for it to consider such measures? Obviously, that situation could be replicated for other college boards across the country.

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Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Richard Leonard

We have some final questions, which the deputy convener will put to you.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Richard Leonard

I was going to draw this morning’s evidence session to a close, but I see that Tricia Meldrum wants to come back in.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Richard Leonard

Certainly.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Richard Leonard

Yes, I think that you said that it was Glasgow Clyde College, but it is City of Glasgow College. That is fine—I appreciate your correcting the record.

I thank Shelagh Stewart, Tricia Meldrum, Mark MacPherson and the Auditor General for their time and their evidence this morning. I just want to conclude by saying how valuable we find this annual briefing, because it gives us a snapshot of the state of Scotland’s colleges in a short, sharp and informative format. Speaking on behalf of the committee, I say that we welcome this as an annual event, because it shows how things are and where things have or have not moved on. We as a committee find it a valuable resource in looking at the state and health of Scotland’s colleges.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed.

I will begin by asking a question for information. I want to get an understanding of why the annual audit reports of a number of colleges—University of the Highlands and Islands colleges and Forth Valley College, I think—are not included in the report. Are there reasons for that?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Richard Leonard

No—thank you for correcting the record.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Richard Leonard

It might not be your role, but perhaps you could help by pointing the committee to whose role it is to look at the equality impact of some of these cuts to courses and the types of courses that are made available. As you say, for many people, colleges are a bridge to employment, a bridge to retraining and, frankly, a bridge away from social isolation. Do you have any plans to look at that? Is it appropriate that another part of the public sector infrastructure looks at that, so that we can have a better understanding of the contraction in funding that you highlight in the briefing? It does not have an equal impact, does it?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Richard Leonard

On the point about catching up, do we know that the terms of the job evaluation, which, as you say, has been going on for nearly a decade, includes back pay?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Richard Leonard

We may well ask the funding council about that. I am surprised about that, given that the Public Audit Committee took evidence last year about that risk register existing and there being between four and six colleges on it, which is quite a substantial proportion. That is against the background of your reporting that there have been quite significant real-terms reductions to college budgets. Last year, you identified a trend of a growing number of colleges that are in a precarious financial position. Why are you not in regular liaison with the Scottish Funding Council to get an up-to-date picture of the risk register?