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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Tackling Digital Exclusion

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Richard Leonard

Okay—thank you. I will bring in Colin Beattie next.

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Richard Leonard

Good morning and welcome to the 26th meeting in 2024 of the Public Audit Committee. Our first agenda item is to consider whether to take items 3 and 4 in private. Is that agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Tackling Digital Exclusion

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Richard Leonard

Our main item is a further consideration of the joint report by the Auditor General for Scotland and the Accounts Commission “Tackling digital exclusion”. I am pleased to welcome our witnesses: Lesley Fraser, director general corporate, Geoff Huggins, chief digital officer, and Eilidh McLaughlin, deputy director, digital ethics, inclusion and assurance—all at the Scottish Government; and Martyn Wallace, chief digital officer in the digital office for Scottish local government, Convention of Scottish Local Authorities.

There are no opening statements, so I will start the questions. I direct my first question to Lesley Fraser. Do you accept the findings and the recommendations in the Auditor General for Scotland and Accounts Commission report “Tackling digital exclusion”?

Public Audit Committee

Tackling Digital Exclusion

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Richard Leonard

I turn to James Dornan, who—to prove that our technology is working—joins us online.

Public Audit Committee

Tackling Digital Exclusion

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Richard Leonard

Thank you. That clarification is very helpful. We might come back to you to check on the progress of that work.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Richard Leonard

 

09:00  

Agenda item 2 is consideration of the Auditor General for Scotland’s briefing on “Scotland’s colleges 2024”. We are joined this morning by our witnesses: Stephen Boyle is the Auditor General for Scotland and, from Audit Scotland, we have Mark MacPherson, audit director; Tricia Meldrum, senior manager; and Shelagh Stewart, audit manager. You are all very welcome.

We have a number of questions to put to you, but first of all, I invite the Auditor General to make an opening statement.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Richard Leonard

At this point, I remind members of my voluntary register of trade union interests.

I have some questions that move us on from people who have left and who have been made redundant, to those who remain and their treatment. In your briefing, you highlight the outstanding pay dispute with support staff and the pay dispute with the lecturing staff, which has even greater longevity. I will not rehearse the politics of this point, but it has been raised many times with the Government that it stepped in with national health service staff and with teachers but seems very reluctant to step in to resolve this dispute. However, the point that you make in your briefing is about the impact that that has had on learners. Can you give us more information about your assessment of that?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Richard Leonard

Do you know how far back that would go?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Richard Leonard

Maybe we need to ask that question of other people.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2024”

Meeting date: 3 October 2024

Richard Leonard

I understand that. On a separate point—I think—one thing that came out of the evidence that we took last year was that the Scottish Funding Council appears to hold a risk register, and the committee believed on the basis of a source of ours that five or six colleges could be coded black—that is, as having significant cash-flow problems. Do you have any update on that picture?