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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Tackling Digital Exclusion

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Richard Leonard

Within the first 10 minutes of the meeting, we have already been told a few times that this is complicated, but some of these things are quite simple. Paragraph 37 of the report that we are discussing notes that

“Meetings of key governance groups have been infrequent.”

What is the explanation for that?

Public Audit Committee

Tackling Digital Exclusion

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Richard Leonard

I will bring in the deputy convener, Jamie Greene.

Public Audit Committee

Tackling Digital Exclusion

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Richard Leonard

I am sorry, but I thought that you said earlier that you accept the recommendations and findings.

Public Audit Committee

Tackling Digital Exclusion

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Richard Leonard

You described Covid-19 as a “shock to the system”. As I read the Auditor General and Accounts Commission report, it says that Covid-19 was a shock to the system that jolted the Government into action and to take steps to try to tackle digital exclusion. However, since the pandemic, those efforts seem to have lost momentum and slowed down and, in the words of the Auditor General, “leadership ... has weakened”.

Public Audit Committee

Tackling Digital Exclusion

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Richard Leonard

We have time for one final question, and I am going to award it to the deputy convener.

Public Audit Committee

Tackling Digital Exclusion

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Richard Leonard

Okay. Other committee members want to come in, so I will bring in Graham Simpson for one quick question before I turn to the deputy convener.

Public Audit Committee

Tackling Digital Exclusion

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Richard Leonard

If I were to go to a local authority in the area that I represent, would I find that it had already mapped local resources and produced an overview of the third, public and private sectors?

Public Audit Committee

Tackling Digital Exclusion

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Richard Leonard

Can I go back to the report? It identifies an insufficiency when it comes to carrying out equalities and human rights impact assessments. It says that there should be more of them and that it should be systematic. It does not appear to be systematic, so are you, as the Scottish Government, providing any leadership to public bodies on that? I am not asking whether you are telling bodies generally that they ought to do those assessments—are you driving it and embedding it in the digital strategies that have been adopted by public bodies across Scotland?

Public Audit Committee

Tackling Digital Exclusion

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Richard Leonard

Have you issued guidance to health boards, Scottish Enterprise and all the other public bodies that you have oversight of?

Public Audit Committee

Tackling Digital Exclusion

Meeting date: 31 October 2024

Richard Leonard

Before I bring in the deputy convener, I will go back to Lesley Fraser. Lesley, the section in the report on building digital inclusion considerations into strategies and design for digital services says that all public bodies should

“carry out equality and human rights impact assessments”.

Do you accept that recommendation?