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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Richard Leonard

Why then, within two years, was a revision proposed to that contract?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Richard Leonard

One of the other things that strikes me about this is that the initial contract from 2005—which provided the basis for the departure of the former chief executive—gave a contractual entitlement to six months’ pay or salary on resignation, but provided 12 months’ pay or salary in the event of dismissal. Under those terms, it is conceivable that somebody in that position could be sacked for gross misconduct and be entitled to more notice pay than somebody who had handed in their resignation. It is extraordinary. I have never seen anything like that before in my life.

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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Richard Leonard

I want to go back to something quite extraordinary that you told us a few minutes ago. You said that the limit on expenses—presumably for travel, subsistence and business entertainment, as WICS has previously described it—was not adjusted, but removed altogether by the former chief executive officer, who was the accountable officer. Was that approved by anybody—the chair of the board, the chair of the audit and risk committee, the sponsor division, or the deputy director? After all, the committee’s concern throughout much of this has been not just that these things happened, but that they were allowed to happen.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Richard Leonard

When you gave evidence to us in the equivalent session in February of last year in relation to expenses and so on, you said:

“We do not see that type of activity in other audits.”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 8 February 2024; c 29.]

Last year, we were dealing with a section 22 report with an almost unheard of list of questions about the way in which the organisation was conducting itself, the way it was allowing governance arrangements to drift, allowing the expenses regime to be run and allowing unreceipted claims to be processed. We are still in that territory in this year’s audit, are we not?

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Richard Leonard

So, I am really asking you whether you accept a recommendation that points to the lack of focus on and funding for tackling alcohol-related harm. Do you accept that?

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Richard Leonard

We will, Mr Heald—we will.

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Richard Leonard

I do not know whether Mr Heald has a grasp on this, but is the figure of 41 per cent comparable to the levels that we see in deindustrialised and poverty-ridden parts of south Wales or northern England?

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Richard Leonard

I think that we all accept that there is a public health crisis that requires urgent action.

I invite other members of the committee to come in. I start by asking Colin Beattie to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Richard Leonard

Thank you for your forbearance, Graham.

I now invite the deputy convener, Jamie Greene, to put a final suite of questions to you.

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Richard Leonard

In relation to that, you mention in the letter, which was sent on 10 December, that the national collaborative charter of rights was due to be published on 11 December. Was it published?