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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 January 2026
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I invite Stuart McMillan to put a final series of questions to the Auditor General.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Richard Leonard

Before we finish up this morning, let us go back to the Ferguson Marine situation. I should know the answer to this question, but I will ask it nonetheless. In relation to the forensic audit of FMEL in the pre-nationalisation period, have those forensic auditors been appointed? If so, who are they? If they have been appointed and we know who they are, what stage are we at? You mentioned a scoping exercise and the need to gain an understanding of what documentation is available and so on. It would be helpful to learn, on the record, a little bit more about that and about when you anticipate that they will report.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Richard Leonard

This is my final question—you may not be able to answer either the first or the second part of it. First, is the work purely a desktop exercise, or will people such as Jim McColl, the former owner of the yard, be interviewed?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I have a question on a minor point. When you have undertaken these kinds of pieces of work in the past, you have often spoken to people with lived experience. So, in the work that you are doing and which you plan to do on Social Security Scotland, the adult disability payment and so on, will you speak to people in receipt of that payment to understand how they are affected by the way in which it operates?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Richard Leonard

Yesterday, I was reflecting on the fact that Graham Simpson and I are both Central Scotland MSPs, and the two health boards in our area have had quite significant leadership changes in quite a short space of time. Next week, the new chief executive officer of NHS Lanarkshire starts; this is no comment on that individual at all, but they will be the third CEO in two and a half years. If you include the interim CEO, NHS Forth Valley is on to its third CEO in less than two years.

There seems to be quite a lot of turbulence in those leadership positions. Are the underlying reasons for that part of what you are looking at? Are they being given the support that they need? Is one potential facet the revolving door, which means that people just move between health boards? Is that creating an instability in the leadership of territorial NHS boards?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Richard Leonard

What is your anticipated timetable for that? Will your analysis of the major capital projects prioritisation be something that you will do some work on and put in the public domain before the end of this year, for example?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Richard Leonard

I will bring in Stuart McMillan in a second, but first I want to ask you about an expression that you used earlier. You have just described the consequences for democratic scrutiny and for some of the decisions that the Government needs to make of the delays to the medium-term financial strategy. You also said in your opening statement that the Government has not yet delivered “at pace” on things such as public sector reform. That is a very mild criticism, is it not? There is an inference that the Government could be pressing ahead at a quicker rate than it actually is.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Richard Leonard

That was useful. I come back to Graham Simpson, who has a couple of other issues that he wants to raise with you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you for your co-operation with that final round of questions and all the other questions that we have put to you this morning. It has been extremely useful for us.

I thank Mark MacPherson, Alison Cumming and the Auditor General for being available this morning to give us insight into their work programme. It is a consultation process and we will need to consider how best to canvass the views of other parts of the Parliament and to feed back their views on the indicative work programme.

The committee will now move into private session.

11:04 Meeting continued in private until 12:13.  

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay. This is the final part of my final question. This morning’s discussion has been about the work that Audit Scotland is able to carry out before we hit the buffer of March next year, when the Parliament is dissolved and we go into election mode. Is it your working expectation that the assurance that you will be able to provide on the pre-nationalisation phase of Ferguson Marine will be available before we hit that buffer?