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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Richard Leonard
When we took evidence from the Auditor General on 1 October, he said:
“I do not think that we are yet clear about the Government’s intention around the review.”
Edel, are you reasonably clear about the Government’s intention around the review?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Richard Leonard
Thanks for that response. I invite the deputy convener, Jamie Greene, to ask some questions of you.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much indeed for that clarity and for concluding the meeting with a very hopeful and visionary message of a better future.
Edel Harris, thank you for your time this morning. Your evidence has been very useful for us. We have a session with the Scottish Government and Social Security Scotland coming up very soon. I do not know whether we will take the opportunity to press them to get a response earlier than February about their view on the recommendations that you have made in your very important report. We will make sure that you are aware of when that evidence session is, so that you can tune in or follow it later on.
11:59 Meeting continued in private until 12:19.Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Richard Leonard
Graham Simpson wants to come back in with a very quick question.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Richard Leonard
Okay—good. That is a nice bookend, because we finish as we started, by looking at the governance arrangements.
I thank the Auditor General, Mark MacPherson and Claire Tennyson from Audit Scotland, and Andrew Burns from the Accounts Commission, for their evidence. You have undertaken to have a look at some of our requests for a bit more data. We would very much appreciate it if you could supply us with that, because we will need to consider our next steps in reviewing the findings and recommendations in the report.
We will now have a further evidence session, but I suspend the meeting to allow for a change of witnesses. We will resume in five minutes or so.
11:00 Meeting suspended.Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much, Graham. I now invite Colin Beattie to put some questions to our witnesses.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you. I will ask you another question to get your response on the record. You will have read the Audit Scotland report on adult disability payment. Do you agree with the recommendations that are made in that report?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you. That is very helpful. Finally, you have alluded already to the fact that your report makes 58 recommendations across a range of areas. That might not be quite as big a range as you might have liked; nonetheless, 58 is a lot of recommendations. Do you have a view about what the priorities should be for the Scottish Government in the short, medium and long terms? By February of next year, or hopefully even before that, if the Government said, “We accept the recommendations of Edel Harris’s independent review on adult disability payment” and you were in the Government’s shoes, which ones would you look to accelerate and implement in the short term and which ones might be more for the medium and longer terms?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Richard Leonard
It is mentioned in the report, is it not, that there can be quite a wide variation from local authority to local authority? What is done to promote good practice? How much networking is there to elevate those examples where things have gone well and where there have been more successful interventions and outcomes compared with those in other areas where there appears to have been fairly minimal activity?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 5 November 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much indeed. I will begin by looking at the governance and accountability arrangements. Your report draws attention to the extremely complex governance arrangements that are in place surrounding the Promise. I think that you used the expression “challenging” and said that the attempts so far to address that complex governance landscape have been—again, I will use your word—“insufficient”. Could you expand on that a little bit and give us your understanding of what those governance arrangements are, how they have come about, and what needs to be done to address them?