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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 July 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Was it not? I am sorry, but can we just clear that up? Did you use the expression “financially hamstrung”?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

You spoke about “a cost/benefit analysis” and “an opportunity cost”. They are your words, are they not?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Could you elaborate on what you mean by that?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

It is Audit Scotland.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

That is not an uncommon problem in the public sector.

You mention in your written submission that there are about 500 appeals per annum. To reflect on the figures that you have just given us, how many applications or approaches do you receive and what does that translate into? If there are about 90,000 requests, 500 appeals seems like a massive drop.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

What is that?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay—thanks. I have one final area of questioning. I am here as a back-bench Labour MSP, but I am also the convener of the Public Audit Committee, and you mentioned conversations that you have had with the Auditor General for Scotland. Some of the points that you make in your written submission did ring some alarm bells with me. For example, first, you talk about being “financially hamstrung”. Secondly, when it comes to being more accountable, you say:

“it detracts me and my small team away from our core business.”

Thirdly, you speak about

“the disproportionality of the governance model”.

Propriety, accountability and governance are areas that regularly get public bodies into trouble, and they end up coming before the Public Audit Committee.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Did you say,

“it detracts me and my small team away from our core business”?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

Accountability was the issue.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 February 2025

Richard Leonard

I want to be clear about it. I do not want to get this confused. Do you want to elaborate on

“the disproportionality of the governance model”?

Are those your words?