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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 December 2021
Richard Leonard
Good morning, and welcome to the 12th meeting of the Public Audit Committee in this session.
The first item on our agenda is a decision on taking items 3 and 4 in private. If any member objects to taking items 3 and 4 in private, please raise your hand. I see no objections, so I take that as assent. Thank you.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 December 2021
Richard Leonard
The second item on our agenda is further evidence on the Audit Scotland report on the Crofting Commission. I am pleased to welcome our Scottish Government witnesses, who all join us online: Roy Brannen is the interim director general for net zero, Andrew Scott is the director for agriculture and rural economy, and John Kerr is the head of the agricultural policy division.
To get us under way, I invite Mr Brannen to make a short opening statement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 December 2021
Richard Leonard
Thank you. We will dig a little deeper into some of those areas around governance, because it is an important concern that we have had in the light of the report that was produced.
One of the things in the report that is exercising us is the relationship between the Crofting Commission’s board and senior management team and the sponsor division of the Scottish Government. According to paragraph 14 of the report, the Scottish Government sponsor division
“appeared to view its relationship of consequence as being with the Senior Management Team rather than the Convener.”
I wonder what your response to that comment is, Mr Brannen. Please feel free to bring in your other colleagues.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 December 2021
Richard Leonard
Mr Kerr has indicated that he wants to contribute.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 December 2021
Richard Leonard
We have a series of questions on business planning. Willie Coffey will come in, but I call Sharon Dowey first.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 December 2021
Richard Leonard
Actually, I think that Andrew Scott wants to come in at this juncture.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 December 2021
Richard Leonard
Thank you for those answers. Colin Beattie has a series of questions about sponsorship arrangements.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 December 2021
Richard Leonard
Thank you. I remind witnesses and members that, if they wish to come in at any point, they should type R in the chat function.
As Mr Brannen has just told us, he is quite new to the post, so he should feel free to bring in John Kerr and Andrew Scott to answer the more detailed questions that members will wish to put to him. If there are any questions that you are not able to fully answer, there is the opportunity for us to receive evidence in writing after today’s oral evidence session, if that is a better way of communicating the information that we seek.
I will open with a couple of questions. My first is a fundamental question, which is to ask whether you accept in full all the findings and recommendations of the Audit Scotland report.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 December 2021
Richard Leonard
Thanks, John. I think there will be a return to some of those areas in further questions from the committee.
I wish to move on, and I invite Craig Hoy to ask some questions.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 December 2021
Richard Leonard
Did you want to come back in, Mr Brannen?