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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Public Audit Committee

“Social care briefing”

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Richard Leonard

That is fine. Thank you very much.

We have mentioned the social care workforce a few times already. Willie Coffey, who is joining us remotely, has some questions on that.

Public Audit Committee

“Social care briefing”

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Richard Leonard

Antony Clark wants to come in on that point. I invite him to give some views before Willie Coffey asks his next question.

Public Audit Committee

“Social care briefing”

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Richard Leonard

Thanks. Antony Clark wants to come in on that point, too.

Public Audit Committee

“Social care briefing”

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Richard Leonard

Yes, that is very useful. We have more questions about commissioning. There is a debate about whether the current commissioning model is the best one. It seems to be quite top down, and I am not sure that the voice of users is heard sufficiently loudly in it. However, that will be part of the debate that we will have in Parliament about the creation of a national care service. It will also address some of the more urgent points on which you have asked us to push.

The briefing also mentions the Social Care (Self-directed Support) (Scotland) Act 2013, which provided for self-directed support. The previous Auditor General, along with the Accounts Commission, produced a report in 2017 that concluded that the vision of self-directed support had not been fully implemented. How much further on are we? How would you describe the status of implementation of self-directed support?

Public Audit Committee

“Social care briefing”

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you—that is much appreciated.

Colin Beattie has a series of questions on leadership and culture and some of the other big issues that are raised in the briefing.

Public Audit Committee

“Social care briefing”

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Richard Leonard

I see that Antony Clark wants to come in. Perhaps he will be able to answer Colin Beattie’s question.

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 3 March 2022

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the seventh meeting in 2022 of the Public Audit Committee. I remind members, witnesses and staff that social distancing rules are still in place. Please respect those and wear a face covering when moving around the room or entering or exiting the room. However, face coverings can be removed when you are seated at the table.

Under agenda item 1, the committee will decide whether to take agenda items 3 and 4 in private. Does the committee agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Richard Leonard

For clarity, FReM is “The Government Financial Reporting Manual”. I just want everyone to be clear about that.

10:45  

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Richard Leonard

I want to probe the fact that we are sitting with a report that has a disclaimer attached to the audit opinion. Paragraph 3 of the report says:

“Scottish Canals had not obtained a valuation for around £51 million of specialist operational assets which had been capitalised between 2012 and 2021.”

Would you have expected a public corporation—as Scottish Canals was during that period—to have had those assets valued?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Richard Leonard

The value of the canal network in its entirety has never been disclosed in accounts produced by Scottish Canals. What is the reason for that? Is that because the network consists of old, Victorian structures that have never been properly assessed since they were built centuries ago, or is there another reason? Why is that?