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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

I will invite Joe FitzPatrick to come in in a second, but I have one last question before I do that.

One of the features of the earlier phases of the reviews and the responses from the health board was what David Strang described as overreporting of progress and an optimism bias. Rachel Browne talked about realism and so on. What is your sense of whether the board is being given an overoptimistic picture of what is changing on the ground? What is your sense of whether the board is being presented with cold, hard facts about where things have reached? As I mentioned at the beginning, the section 22 report mentions a whole series of areas where things are not going as they ought to go.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much. I invite Joe FitzPatrick to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay, thank you very much indeed. I invite Colin Beattie to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I now invite Michael Marra to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Again, just for the record, the September letter was submitted to us on 1 December. Her 1 December submission not only attaches the September letter—about the pre-publication review of the clearance draft—but clearly reinforces the views that were in that September letter. She uses expressions such as:

“Although I agree with several of the recommendations, overall, I believe both the performance audit and the subsequent Report are missed opportunities.”

I will invite Colin Beattie to put some questions to you.

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Public Audit Committee

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

We will get to that.

I turn to our representatives from COSLA. Do you accept the findings and recommendations of the report?

Public Audit Committee

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

I do not know whether you can answer this. Why was it that, when the Audit Scotland report was published, a joint press release, or a joint response, was put out by COSLA, the Scottish Government, the Society of Local Authority Chief Executives and Senior Managers—senior local authority officials—and Fiona Duncan? Does COSLA not have any differentiated analysis of what has happened, where responsibility rests and so on?

Public Audit Committee

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay. Mr Rennick, what is your view?

Public Audit Committee

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you for putting that on the record—that is appreciated.

Public Audit Committee

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Now I am a bit confused. You told us earlier that you accepted the findings of the report and now you are saying that there are elements of the findings that you do not agree with and that we will get on to those. We are getting mixed messages, Mr McKinlay.