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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 August 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report

Meeting date: 9 September 2021

Richard Leonard

I will come back to that point in a minute, but I wanted to ask about something else that is covered in your report. It would have been very fresh at the time of the report and we now have some benefit of a slightly longer view of it. Money was set aside to help with the logistics of schools reopening at the start of the year. I think that there was £50 million additional funding allocated to help schools reopen safely. At the time, as I recall, councils said that it was insufficient to do what we need to do, but I think the Scottish Government said that it was sufficient. Have you had an opportunity to review that to see whether somebody was right and somebody was wrong?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report

Meeting date: 9 September 2021

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed. This week, you made an important statement in a blog reflecting on 10 years since the Christie commission report was produced. If you do not mind me quoting you, because I think that it is important that this is on the record, I note that you warned that the country “remains riven by inequalities”, but you also said that it remains the case that there is

“a major implementation gap between policy ambitions and delivery on the ground.”

With reference to this morning’s inquiry, you said that

“progress on closing the poverty-related attainment gap between the most and least deprived school pupils had been limited.”

That is a very powerful statement of how you see things. Could you reflect on that and perhaps outline for us what you think needs to change so that that huge implementation gap that you spoke about can be closed?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report

Meeting date: 9 September 2021

Richard Leonard

Thank you, Mr Clark. I now turn to Sharon Dowey, who has a series of questions to ask.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report

Meeting date: 9 September 2021

Richard Leonard

Thank you. Before I widen the questioning, there is one other thing that I want to come back to, which again was mentioned in your opening statement—the OECD report that came out in June this year, just a couple of months after your own report was produced. In the briefing note for today’s committee meeting, you say that there are some common themes between the conclusions you arrived at and the conclusions and recommendations that were made by the OECD. It would be useful for us to hear from you what those common themes are and whether there are clear recommendations that come from those common themes that would do what the report says we need to do. I think that we are all agreed on the need to improve outcomes for young people in a broader sense through school education.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report

Meeting date: 9 September 2021

Richard Leonard

I will open the questioning to the whole committee now, starting with Willie Coffey.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report

Meeting date: 9 September 2021

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed.

On behalf of the committee, I thank Stephen Boyle and his team this morning—Antony Clark, Tricia Meldrum and Zoe McGuire—for keeping us informed and answering the questions that we put. We really appreciate your time and the work that you are doing.

I draw the public part of this morning’s committee to an end.

10:31 Meeting continued in private until 11:20.  

Public Audit Committee

Audit Scotland Strategic Priorities and Future Work Programme

Meeting date: 2 September 2021

Richard Leonard

On that note, I thank Stephen Boyle and Mark Roberts for their evidence this morning. It has been extremely illuminating and very helpful for us to understand your priorities and work programme, which will, in turn, feed into that of the committee. I thank you for your time.

10:15 Meeting continued in private until 10:43.  

Public Audit Committee

Audit Scotland Strategic Priorities and Future Work Programme

Meeting date: 2 September 2021

Richard Leonard

Surely not.

Public Audit Committee

Audit Scotland Strategic Priorities and Future Work Programme

Meeting date: 2 September 2021

Richard Leonard

Thank you.

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 2 September 2021

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I begin by welcoming everybody back after the summer recess. I remind you of the Parliament’s rules on social distancing and the requirement to wear a mask if you are moving around or entering or leaving the room.

I also begin the new session by reminding the committee that our task and our job is to be the people’s and Parliament’s guardians, when things go wrong to get to the bottom of it, when public money is wasted to hold people to account and when lessons need to be learned to follow up to make sure that they are. I see the committee as being a critical part of a healthy and functioning democracy, and I think that it is even more important in the months ahead, at a time when there is renewed pressure on our public services, burned-out national health service staff, a backlogged justice system and young people who have missed out on education, that we stand up and ensure that we are led by evidence and facts without fear or favour.

The first item on the agenda is a decision on whether to take item 3 in private. Do members agree to consider our work programme in private?

Members indicated agreement.