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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 May 2022
Richard Leonard
Just for the record, we have not written to them yet. We have indicated that we are going to write to them, but the letters have not dropped through their letter boxes yet.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 May 2022
Richard Leonard
The principal item of business on our agenda is to take evidence from representatives of the civil service in the Scottish Government about the procurement and arrangements for the delivery of vessels 801 and 802, which have been the subject of a detailed section 23 report by the Auditor General for Scotland.
I welcome our witnesses this morning. I begin by welcoming Mo Rooney, who joins us online. Mo is deputy director for strategic commercial interventions at the Scottish Government. If you wish to come in, Mo, please indicate using the chat function, and we will do our best to bring you in. You may also be delegated responsibility by other members of the panel to answer questions.
I also welcome Roy Brannen, the interim director general net zero at the Scottish Government; and Colin Cook, the director of economic development. We are also joined by Dermot Rhatigan, the deputy director for manufacturing and industries at the Scottish Government; Hugh Gillies, interim chief executive of Transport Scotland; Fran Pacitti, Transport Scotland’s director of aviation, maritime, freight and canals; and Chris Wilcock, head of the ferries unit at Transport Scotland. You are all welcome.
To begin with, I ask Roy Brannen to give us an opening statement. Members of the committee will then wish to put some questions to you.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 May 2022
Richard Leonard
Yes. We have only a couple of minutes left, and we want to address other large areas of the report—on nationalisation and the lead-up to it, for example. Colin Cook has been noticeably silent today. We may require a further session to complete the evidence gathering that we would like to get through.
I will conclude today’s proceedings by inviting Sharon Dowey to ask any outstanding questions that she has.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 May 2022
Richard Leonard
Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 16th meeting of the Public Audit Committee in 2022. The first item of business is for members of the committee to consider whether to take agenda items 3, 4 and 5 in private. Do members agree to take those items in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 May 2022
Richard Leonard
Fran Pacitti made an extremely important point about the role of challenge in making decisions. The cost was going to be £97 million of public money. In the end, it has ended up being considerably more than that. The role of challenge in such decisions is primary. As the Public Audit Committee of the Parliament, we would expect challenge.
Will you explain a bit more about the relationship that ought to exist between the portfolio accountable officer and the decision maker? Will you also explain whether there is a role in the process for the director general of finance? Is part of their role not to challenge investment decisions that are taken at portfolio level to see whether they pass the tests that are set out in the public finance manual?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 May 2022
Richard Leonard
That is fine.
I will now bring in Craig Hoy; I can come back to Sharon Dowey shortly.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 May 2022
Richard Leonard
The cost has gone from £97 million to two and half times that much.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 May 2022
Richard Leonard
Even though the First Minister had been to the yard to announce that the contract had been awarded before the negotiations were concluded.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 May 2022
Richard Leonard
You mentioned paper trails. One of the big concerns that are expressed in the Auditor General’s report is about the lack of paper trails—the lack of paperwork—to cover the implications of the decision to award the contract under the circumstances that it was awarded under and the risks that that entailed. What is your reflection on that?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 26 May 2022
Richard Leonard
Would it not go to a Cabinet meeting, for example?