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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 August 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Scotland’s Colleges 2020

Meeting date: 23 September 2021

Richard Leonard

I will come back to Matt Crilly shortly, but Gillian Ritchie wanted to come in on these questions.

Public Audit Committee

Scotland’s Colleges 2020

Meeting date: 23 September 2021

Richard Leonard

Does anybody else want to come in on that before I go back to Matt Crilly?

The programme for government contains a commitment to look at a range of substantial reforms to student support. I want to start with you, Matt, but I am sure that other people will have a view on what those reforms might look like, what some of the consequences might be and how important they are. In your last contribution, you spoke about the financial precariousness in which many students find themselves. I will ask you to go first, but I am sure that some of the other witnesses will want to comment on that bigger reform programme.

Public Audit Committee

Scotland’s Colleges 2020

Meeting date: 23 September 2021

Richard Leonard

Does anybody else want to come in on student support and its consequences for the health and performance of the sector?

Public Audit Committee

Scotland’s Colleges 2020

Meeting date: 23 September 2021

Richard Leonard

That brings an end to our session. I thank all the witnesses very much, both those who are in the committee room with us and those who joined us by videolink. The quality of evidence that you have given us has been outstanding, so I place on the record my thanks for the time that you have given and the thought that you have put into the evidence that you have presented to us. It really is appreciated.

I will draw to an end the public part of the meeting. We now move into private session.

10:31 Meeting continued in private until 11:00.  

Public Audit Committee

Scotland’s Colleges 2020

Meeting date: 23 September 2021

Richard Leonard

I will move on to Willie Coffey, because I know that he has a whole suite of questions he wants to go through.

Public Audit Committee

Scotland’s Colleges 2020

Meeting date: 23 September 2021

Richard Leonard

Can I just interject and say that Gillian Ritchie has not had an opportunity to come in yet. I know that Education Scotland has done some work on digital poverty and the inequality of access to digital software, hardware and so on. I will invite Gillian to come in on that first, and then if Shona Struthers and Audrey Cumberford want to come in as well, I will invite them afterwards.

Public Audit Committee

Scotland’s Colleges 2020

Meeting date: 23 September 2021

Richard Leonard

That is helpful.

09:15  

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 23 September 2021

Richard Leonard

Good morning, and welcome to the fourth meeting of the Public Audit Committee in this session of Parliament. I remind people of the Parliament’s rules on social distancing and the need to wear face coverings if you are moving around the room or if you have to leave or enter the room.

The first item on our agenda is to decide whether to take item 3 in private. Do members agree to take item 3 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Scotland’s Colleges 2020

Meeting date: 23 September 2021

Richard Leonard

I welcome our guests—those online on computer link, and those who have joined us in the committee room. We are keen to get your perspective on the financial health of the further education sector and on issues such as governance arrangements, if you want to address those. Also, especially at this time, we are interested in how further education colleges have coped with the pandemic and what the experience has been for people who have been teaching and students. We also want to cover some ground looking at college performance. Our reference points are a blog that the Auditor General produced in May this year, and the more substantive report that came out in 2019, which gave a weather check on the state of further education colleges post-mergers and so on.

The panel members do not have to respond to every single question. There may be areas where you are enthusiastic to take part and other areas where you feel that others are better equipped to come in. We will have to manage the discussion tightly, given the time constraints. For those of you in the room, it would be helpful if you indicated to me or the clerks if you want to come in. Those on the videolink should put an R in the chat function if they want to come in on a particular part of the conversation. When you speak, your microphone will be automatically switched on.

I will begin by asking people to introduce themselves, starting with the MSPs who are in the room.

Public Audit Committee

Scotland’s Colleges 2020

Meeting date: 23 September 2021

Richard Leonard

I will bring in Shona Struthers, then I will move on because Craig Hoy has some questions to ask.