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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 August 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Richard Leonard

I am sure that we will return to some of those themes.

I want to ask a question of the co-chairs of the delivery board. Perhaps Donna Bell could answer first, then Hannah Axon could come in after that. Audit Scotland’s blog said:

“there is a steep hill to climb and making it to the top will mean listening to and learning from the experiences of children and young people and their families.”

Would you agree with that analysis? What action are you taking through the delivery board to get us further up that “steep hill”?

Public Audit Committee

Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Richard Leonard

Can you confirm that those young people are members of the joint delivery board?

Public Audit Committee

Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Richard Leonard

I said at the start of the session that witnesses can ask each other questions; it is not just a matter of fielding questions from members of the Scottish Parliament.

Public Audit Committee

Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Richard Leonard

We are going to look in a bit more detail at the Grampian experience.

I turn back to Sharon Dowey, who I think has a question on referrals.

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everybody to this, the sixth meeting of the Public Audit Committee in this session of Parliament. Before we start our business today, I remind everybody in the committee room that social distancing measures are still in place. If you are moving around, entering or exiting the room, please wear a face covering.

Our first item of business is to agree to take agenda item 3 in private. Is that agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Richard Leonard

I have two questions. First, when the data is available will you publish it and put it in the public domain? Secondly, at this early stage, have you picked up any anecdotal evidence of the extent to which the package is going down well and is being taken up?

Public Audit Committee

Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Richard Leonard

I do not think that anyone has indicated that they want to come in. As we have the Auditor General here, I think that it would be useful to get his reflections on where he thinks we are with data collection—not just data for data’s sake, but data that tells us about outcomes.

Public Audit Committee

Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Richard Leonard

Thank you for that powerful testimony from the front line. Other witnesses want to come in, so I will turn to them. I am conscious that time is marching on, but I want to bring in Alex Pirrie first, then the co-chairs of the joint delivery board.

Public Audit Committee

Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Richard Leonard

I turn to the people joining us via videolink, starting with Martin McKay.

Public Audit Committee

Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Richard Leonard

It is useful to have that on the record.

My final question for now is for Alex Cumming from SAMH. This is challenge poverty week. We know from the Audit Scotland report in 2018 that, a child who lives in a low-income household is three times more likely to suffer mental health problems than a child living in a more affluent household. There is an issue about the effect that poverty has on mental health, self-esteem, self-harming, anxiety, stress, depression and so on. Those issues will be accentuated for children who are being brought up in poverty. Educational performance will be affected as well as overall life chances. Is enough being done to recognise the scale of that challenge and the inequality that it produces?