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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 31 May 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report

Meeting date: 9 September 2021

Richard Leonard

Craig Hoy has a series of questions. I think that he wants to make a declaration of interests before he puts his questions.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report

Meeting date: 9 September 2021

Richard Leonard

I think that Antony Clark wants to come in with a few points on the same area.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report

Meeting date: 9 September 2021

Richard Leonard

One of the things that is mentioned in the report, which I think Mr Boyle referred to, is data. Paragraph 25 of the report puts it very starkly when it says:

“The Scottish Government’s national aim is to improve outcomes for all, but it has not set out by how much or by when.”

From an auditing perspective, that sounds like quite a major flaw, doesn’t it?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report

Meeting date: 9 September 2021

Richard Leonard

We will return to some of these themes during the course of this morning’s session. As you stated at the beginning, the report takes us up to January 2021 and, obviously, quite a lot has happened since that time. Have you been able to gather any more information about where things are now? Have you been able to understand whether some of the actions that were recommended in your report, for example, have been followed up at a central and local government level?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report

Meeting date: 9 September 2021

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed.

On behalf of the committee, I thank Stephen Boyle and his team this morning—Antony Clark, Tricia Meldrum and Zoe McGuire—for keeping us informed and answering the questions that we put. We really appreciate your time and the work that you are doing.

I draw the public part of this morning’s committee to an end.

10:31 Meeting continued in private until 11:20.  

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report

Meeting date: 9 September 2021

Richard Leonard

Yes, I think that that is so. You have mentioned on a number of occasions in this morning’s session the £1 billion announced over the summer, which is presumably a commitment by the Scottish Government to, at least for this parliamentary session, keep investing in mechanisms for closing the attainment gap. Is that additional money over and above the core funding for education delivered by local government?

Secondly—this has been a thread running through our conversations—this is not just about where things go wrong but where things go right. What sense do you get of a sharing of good practice—of things that work using this funding? There are clearly certain stipulations about what it can and cannot be spent on, which led to some very innovative ideas, especially in the early days of its introduction. Do you get a sense that there is collaboration and sharing of good practice and that if there is an additional £1 billion in the system it will be well spent, provide value for money and have the desired effect?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report

Meeting date: 9 September 2021

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I will bring Sharon Dowey back in, then, I think, Willie Coffey has a question on the area that Sharon Dowey will pursue.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report

Meeting date: 9 September 2021

Richard Leonard

Does Willie Coffey want to come in?

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 2 September 2021

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I begin by welcoming everybody back after the summer recess. I remind you of the Parliament’s rules on social distancing and the requirement to wear a mask if you are moving around or entering or leaving the room.

I also begin the new session by reminding the committee that our task and our job is to be the people’s and Parliament’s guardians, when things go wrong to get to the bottom of it, when public money is wasted to hold people to account and when lessons need to be learned to follow up to make sure that they are. I see the committee as being a critical part of a healthy and functioning democracy, and I think that it is even more important in the months ahead, at a time when there is renewed pressure on our public services, burned-out national health service staff, a backlogged justice system and young people who have missed out on education, that we stand up and ensure that we are led by evidence and facts without fear or favour.

The first item on the agenda is a decision on whether to take item 3 in private. Do members agree to consider our work programme in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Audit Scotland Strategic Priorities and Future Work Programme

Meeting date: 2 September 2021

Richard Leonard

Thank you. That was a very helpful introduction to this morning’s session.

I will begin by reflecting on some of the lessons from the previous session. This is a new committee, but we need to understand where there are underlying issues of which we need to keep fully abreast. In looking at the legacy report of the previous committee, it struck me that it identified recurring themes that seemed to be common in instances in which organisations had not met the performance standards that were expected, or where something more fundamental had gone wrong. The previous committee spoke of

“leadership challenges, poor workforce planning, weak governance arrangements”

and failures—which were sometimes catastrophic—with information and communications technology projects. The committee also reflected on the absence of key data and the failure to properly measure outcomes.

Will you explain how you plan to keep abreast of those themes, and how you expect to be able to continue to explore them in the future work programme?