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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 2 September 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of Bòrd na Gàidhlig”

Meeting date: 13 January 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much for the opening statement. I have a couple of questions to ask, before I invite questions from other members of the committee.

It is worth recapping where things were back in 2018-19. The conclusions of the 2018-19 report spoke about

“ineffective leadership, inadequate workforce planning, a lack of clarity over roles and responsibilities and poor relationships and organisational culture”,

which existed to such an extent that, in giving evidence to the Public Audit Committee’s predecessor committee, the auditor said:

“In terms of the findings and recommendations, I cannot think of another report that has raised such serious issues during my time in this role.”—[Official Report, Public Audit and Post-legislative Scrutiny Committee, 16 January 2020; c 21.]

That is a pretty damning indictment of how things were.

When we turn to the report that has just been published, we see that there appears to have been a considerable turnaround. My first question is this: what has been the catalyst for such a transformative difference in the organisation?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of Bòrd na Gàidhlig”

Meeting date: 13 January 2022

Richard Leonard

Openness and transparency were previously identified as issues back in 2018-19, so that is a continuing area of interest for us.

My final question goes back to the 72 actions that came out of the recommendations, which the Auditor General mentioned. Of the 72, 71 have been implemented. However, the nature of the beast that is the Public Audit Committee being what it is, I want to ask about the 72nd action, which has not so far been implemented. Can someone explain why there has been a hold-up with it? Is it simply a matter of timing; is it contingent on other issues? What is the reason? I ask so that we have a better understanding of the outstanding action.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of Bòrd na Gàidhlig”

Meeting date: 13 January 2022

Richard Leonard

We have more questions on engagement, which will come up later in the evidence session. Colin Beattie has questions about board scrutiny.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of NHS Highland”

Meeting date: 13 January 2022

Richard Leonard

We want to further interrogate the board’s financial position in terms of not only its management but its sustainability.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of Bòrd na Gàidhlig”

Meeting date: 13 January 2022

Richard Leonard

There is mention in the report of an “improvement plan steering group”. Is the expectation that it will continue for some time or is it also a time-limited part of the organisation’s work? I invite Pat to reply. We can then widen the question out, if other people have comments.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of Bòrd na Gàidhlig”

Meeting date: 13 January 2022

Richard Leonard

Thanks, Craig. Pat, it would be useful if we could get that information, which would aid us in our consideration of the report.

Before I move on, I have something else to raise in this area. The Auditor General mentioned exhibit 1—the organisational chart—as something for us to have a look at. Mention has been made of the important additional resource that has now been put into the organisation through the appointment of a head of communications and promotions. When I look at the organisational chart, however, I see a chief executive, below which is a director of Gaelic education, a director of language planning and community developments, and a head of finance and corporate services. I do not see a head of communications and promotions. Are they not at the same level? Are they not part of that more senior executive management team?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of Bòrd na Gàidhlig”

Meeting date: 13 January 2022

Richard Leonard

It might be worth giving some reflection to that.

Sharon Dowey has a number of questions on roles and responsibilities stemming from the previous report and the latest report.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of Bòrd na Gàidhlig”

Meeting date: 13 January 2022

Richard Leonard

Willie Coffey has some questions that explore some of those areas further, in the context of openness and transparency. Over to you, Willie.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of NHS Highland”

Meeting date: 13 January 2022

Richard Leonard

I am bound to reflect on the evidence that there has been a lot of controversy in the Highlands about the centralisation of services. So, when Joanne Brown speaks about service redesign, the question that many people in the Highlands will ask is, to what extent is that clinically led and to what extent is that financially led? It may not be for the Auditor General to offer commentary on that, but any reflections that you or Joanne can make would be useful in getting the inside track on what is pushing those changes.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of NHS Highland”

Meeting date: 13 January 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much—that is very useful. There is continuing public interest in the costs of the operation and administration of the healing process, and in the balance between that and the pay-outs themselves.

I have a final point that I want to ask about. Referring to the board risk assurance framework, the report states that

“further work is required to review and redefine some of the risks and the escalation process within the BRAF”.

Could you tell us a little bit more about what further work is required on that? I do not know whether that is for Joanne Brown or Stephen Boyle.