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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 21 April 2022

Richard Leonard

Welcome back to the second half of this morning’s meeting. Agenda item 3 is our first consideration of the Audit Scotland report into arrangements for the delivery of vessels 801 and 802. I welcome to the meeting the Auditor General for Scotland, Stephen Boyle, who is joined by a team of three people from Audit Scotland: Antony Clark, interim director of performance audit and best value; Angela Canning, audit director; and Gill Miller, audit manager, performance audit and best value.

In addition, I welcome Rhoda Grant, who is an MSP for the Highlands and Islands and who is taking part in the evidence session remotely. Rhoda, if you want to come in at any point, please indicate that by typing R in the chat function and we will do our best to bring you in.

To begin, I invite the Auditor General to make an opening statement. After his statement, members will ask a series of questions. If we do not cover all the ground that we need to this morning, we might need to have a second evidence session on this report with the Auditor General.

Public Audit Committee

“Drug and alcohol services: An update”

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Richard Leonard

The next item on our agenda is consideration of Audit Scotland’s recent briefing on drug and alcohol services, which is an update report on some work that Audit Scotland has looked at over a decade or more.

We are joined in the committee room by Stephen Boyle, the Auditor General for Scotland, and, from Audit Scotland, Antony Clark, interim director of performance audit and best value, and Jillian Matthew, senior manager, performance audit and best value.

I invite the Auditor General to make an opening statement.

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Richard Leonard

Good morning and welcome to the 11th meeting in 2022 of the Public Audit Committee. I remind members, witnesses and staff that social distancing arrangements must be respected and that, if you move around, enter or leave the room, you should wear a face covering. However, you do not have to wear one while you are with us at the table.

Agenda item 1 is a decision on taking business in private. Do we agree to take agenda items 4, 5 and 6 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Major Information and Communications Technology Projects (Accountability and Governance)

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you. We might return to those themes later in the session.

I call Sharon Dowey, who joins us on videolink this morning.

Public Audit Committee

Major Information and Communications Technology Projects (Accountability and Governance)

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Richard Leonard

We may have a session in the future when we drill a bit more deeply into some of the individual ICT projects.

I will now hand over to Colin Beattie, who has a number of questions.

Public Audit Committee

“Drug and alcohol services: An update”

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I have to say that we are quite concerned about data gaps.

Colin Beattie has a number of questions.

Public Audit Committee

Major Information and Communications Technology Projects (Accountability and Governance)

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I thank the witnesses for their evidence. There are some issues that we will be keen to pursue. As I mentioned earlier, we hope to have a session with the accountable officers for particular projects that have exercised our interest.

I thank Geoff Huggins, Jonathan Ruff, Sharon Fairweather and Donald McGillivray for presenting themselves before the committee; it is appreciated.

I suspend the meeting while we change witnesses.

10:15 Meeting suspended.  

10:18 On resuming—  

Public Audit Committee

Major Information and Communications Technology Projects (Accountability and Governance)

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Richard Leonard

I simply note that, at the moment, Police Scotland has five major ICT projects under way. I hope that another i6 is not around the corner.

I call Craig Hoy, who has some questions to ask.

Public Audit Committee

“Drug and alcohol services: An update”

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Richard Leonard

There are further questions to come about the transparency of spending, the governance arrangements and the strategy. However, I have one other question that I want to put to you.

Exhibit 1 in the briefing shows that alcohol-related deaths reduced and levelled off over a period of 15 years and that they have started to rise again. In your opinion and assessment, what measures drove down alcohol-related deaths and what may be the cause of their recent increase?

Public Audit Committee

“Drug and alcohol services: An update”

Meeting date: 31 March 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you for that opening statement.

The first lines of the update paper are a stark reminder of the situation that we find ourselves in. They say:

“In Scotland, 1,339 people died from drug-related causes in 2020—the highest ever reported and the highest rate in Europe.”

However, as you have just said, you view progress as having been slow. In the report, you say that there is

“a lack of drive and leadership by the Scottish Government.”

To what extent did the Scottish Government respond to the clear recommendations that you made more than a decade ago, in 2009?