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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 November 2022
Richard Leonard
You mentioned your Government’s decisions, and one matter that is of interest to the committee is what was brought to Cabinet. Was the preferred bidder announcement taken to Cabinet, or were the unconditional financial guarantee of £106 million to CMAL, the £45 million bail out of FMEL, the financial collapse of FMEL or the nationalisation decision taken to Cabinet?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 November 2022
Richard Leonard
Are you saying that your senior special adviser did not report back to you about those conversations?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 November 2022
Richard Leonard
Thank you. I now turn to Willie Coffey, who has a couple more questions to put, after which I will bring in Graham Simpson.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 3 November 2022
Richard Leonard
Good morning. I welcome everybody to the 25th meeting in 2022 of the Public Audit Committee.
Under agenda item 1, do members agree to take item 2 in private?
Members indicated agreement.
09:01 Meeting continued in private until 09:30.Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 October 2022
Richard Leonard
Okay. Thanks.
I want to pick up on the last point and will bring in Andrew Burns to answer. There are four indicators, and the report calls for consistency in their application and use. Perhaps that suggests that, currently, they are not used consistently. For example, I do not know whether some local authorities, with health boards, rely on only one or two of the indicators and not on all four. There might be reasons for that. The committee is interested to understand whether your calling for consistency of application of the suite of indicators at Scottish Government and local government levels implies that that is not happening at the moment.
The Auditor General can start; maybe Andrew Burns can then come in.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 October 2022
Richard Leonard
I am about to turn to Colin Beattie. Before I do that, I must observe that Mr Johnston has invariably appeared before us or our predecessor committee when things have gone wrong and when section 22 reports have been conducted by the Auditor General. This morning, we are outside the eye of a crisis and are keen to have an evidence session that allows us to understand how things work now. That is why we are interested in hearing more about where things are going right.
Colin Beattie is joining us online.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 October 2022
Richard Leonard
I will just follow up on Colin Beattie’s questions. It would be useful for us to understand what the vacancy rate is now and what it was at the time of the report.
I am also interested in the fact that sponsor roles are not seen as “sexy”—somebody says that in the report; I am not sure that it is the view of the report. I am not sure what that means. People in sponsor roles are in bands A to C. The salary range starts off in the low £20,000s in band A, but goes up to about £76,000 in band C. Are you having difficulty in attracting people to the higher-paid posts or to the lower-paid posts? Where is the problem in that spectrum of pay grades?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 October 2022
Richard Leonard
In the end, the test will be how many section 22 reports are brought before us by the Auditor General and whether Mr Johnston has to come before us to defend a situation that arises from failed sponsor arrangements. We have found it really enlightening to hear about the work that is being done to prevent recurrences of those. What I take from the evidence that we have heard is that you are looking in detail at instances in which things have gone wrong to learn lessons from that and to build those lessons into the training that you give to the people who are responsible for ensuring good relationships between sponsor departments and public agencies, non-departmental public bodies and so on.
We are out of time. We would like to follow up on some areas to get more information from you. You have not withheld anything from us; it is just that we have run out of time to get some of the detail that we are looking for.
I thank Paul Johnston, Catriona Maclean and Mary McAllan for their evidence. I suspend the meeting to allow for a changeover of witnesses.
10:18 Meeting suspended.Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 October 2022
Richard Leonard
Thank you, director general, for that opening statement. We have quite a number of questions that we want to put to you. They cover much of the ground that you outlined in your opening statement, which was helpful. I turn first of all to Craig Hoy.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 October 2022
Richard Leonard
I am going to have to draw this session to a close, but I thank Andrew Burns, Corrinne Forsyth, Tricia Meldrum and the Auditor General, Stephen Boyle, for their evidence this morning. I am afraid that we have run out of road, but we might well come back to you to follow up your oral evidence.
I now draw the public part of this morning’s meeting to a close.
11:25 Meeting continued in private until 11:41.