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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 September 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2020/21”

Meeting date: 3 February 2022

Richard Leonard

There was, if I remember rightly, a postponement of the deadline for self-assessment tax returns. Has that had any impact on collection rates?

Public Audit Committee

Decisions on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 3 February 2022

Richard Leonard

Do members also agree to take in private consideration of any subsequent draft reports on “The 2020/21 audit of the Crofting Commission”?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2020/21”

Meeting date: 3 February 2022

Richard Leonard

Agenda item 2, which is the principal item on this morning’s agenda, is an evidence-taking session on the report “Administration of Scottish income tax 2020/21”. I am pleased to welcome once again to the committee room the Auditor General for Scotland, Stephen Boyle, who is joined online by Mark Taylor, audit director, Audit Scotland.

I am also particularly pleased to welcome to the Scottish Parliament’s Public Audit Committee Gareth Davies, Comptroller and Auditor General, National Audit Office, who is joined by Darren Stewart, audit director, National Audit Office. I think that this is the first time that Mr Davies has given evidence to the committee. Unfortunately, Mr Davies, we are able to take your evidence only in online form this morning, but I hope that in the not-too-distant future we will be able to welcome you to the Scottish Parliament to meet the Public Audit Committee in person.

I invite Stephen Boyle to give a short opening statement. I will then ask the NAO’s Comptroller and Auditor General to make some opening remarks, but over to you, Auditor General.

Public Audit Committee

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2020/21”

Meeting date: 3 February 2022

Richard Leonard

Absolutely. On that note, we will press on with Sharon Dowey, who has a number of questions.

Public Audit Committee

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2020/21”

Meeting date: 3 February 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you. Both PAYE receipts and self-assessment receipts have grown, according to the figures that are presented in the report. Is that correct?

Public Audit Committee

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2020/21”

Meeting date: 3 February 2022

Richard Leonard

Thanks, Mr Davies. We will look forward to that.

One of the things that is concerning this committee a little bit is the extent to which we are still reliant on estimates, samples and assumptions rather than hard data. The system of a Scottish income tax arrangement has been in place now for three years; why is it that we are still so reliant on estimates, samples and assumptions rather than being able to rely on three years’ worth of Scottish income tax outturn information? I will ask Mr Davies to answer that first and I will come to Stephen Boyle second.

Public Audit Committee

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2020/21”

Meeting date: 3 February 2022

Richard Leonard

I believe that you raised this issue in your commentary on the NAO report, Mr Boyle, so perhaps you can give us your views on it.

Public Audit Committee

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2020/21”

Meeting date: 3 February 2022

Richard Leonard

Can you just confirm that you have no evidence of flight of income tax payers from Scotland to England, Auditor General?

Public Audit Committee

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2020/21”

Meeting date: 3 February 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you.

I would like to capture the essence of what we have been saying today. I say to Gareth Davies and Darren Stewart that our approach today has not been pointed at you; we have taken that approach because we are trying to understand where there are gaps and where improvements could be made.

We reflect that this is year 4 or 5 of the distinctive Scottish income tax system, and yet, even at this stage, we do not have Scotland-specific tax gap data—that is, data about the amount that should be paid versus what is actually paid. Further, we do not have Scotland-specific data on compliance and non-compliance or on income tax debt, all of which we have been probing this morning. You are right to say that the reasons relate to the service-level agreement that is in place between the Scottish Government and HMRC, and we need to consider whether it would be useful for us to explore that avenue further.

In previous years—and, to a limited extent, today as well—we have been told that the issue is all about HMRC’s limited resources. If the service-level agreement were adjusted, would it be possible to get that data disaggregated to a Scottish level, so that it could be used to inform the decisions that this Parliament needs to make around income tax rates as well as to give us an understanding of the revenues that would be generated by the rates that are set?

Public Audit Committee

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2020/21”

Meeting date: 3 February 2022

Richard Leonard

Just to be clear, the report says that the £0.7 million administration fee is

“accurate and fair in the context of the agreement between HMRC and the Scottish Government.”

Could you tell us what you mean by “fair”?