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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 8 December 2022
Richard Leonard
Agenda item 2, which is the principal item on our agenda this morning, is consideration of the Scottish Government’s latest update on major information and communications technology projects, which is something that the committee routinely receives.
I welcome to the meeting our Scottish Government witnesses: Sharon Fairweather, director of internal audit and assurance; Geoff Huggins, director of digital; and Yorath Turner, deputy director, digital people, strategy and corporate services, digital directorate. You are welcome, Yorath, and I hope that your salary reflects the length of your job title.
As there will be no opening statement, we will go straight to questions.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 8 December 2022
Richard Leonard
Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 30th meeting in 2022 of the Public Audit Committee.
Agenda item 1 is a decision on taking business in private. Does the committee agree to take agenda items 3 and 4 in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 8 December 2022
Richard Leonard
Okay, I will look keenly at the language that is used in that regard.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 8 December 2022
Richard Leonard
I invite Craig Hoy to ask some questions.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 8 December 2022
Richard Leonard
One thing that the Auditor General has spoken about is the ambition for there to be more innovation in the public sector. He even used the expression “risk taking”. Do you think that you are doing things that are innovative and which involve taking some—calculated, I presume—risk?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 8 December 2022
Richard Leonard
Do you not think that primary legislation would be required to do that?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 8 December 2022
Richard Leonard
Why does the note tell us that the expected start date is November 2022, not spring 2023?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 8 December 2022
Richard Leonard
Okay. If, on reflection, you think that there is nuance to that answer, please come back to us, Mr Huggins.
You mentioned the digital board, and I think that you said that it is due to meet soon. Is that not the board that is minister-led, and is the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities not also involved in that?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 8 December 2022
Richard Leonard
When you gave evidence in March, I think that you said that there is, understandably, a group composed of officials that has oversight of those things. I think that you said that there is a minister-led body, as well, in which COSLA is involved.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 8 December 2022
Richard Leonard
I would like to pick up that theme of cross-departmental or collaborative working. Geoff Huggins, back in March you mentioned the digital commercial service—I think that you referred to it again this morning—which sits within your directorate but operates as a joint function with procurement. Could you develop that a little bit and tell us how that has changed the way that procurement or contract management arrangements work?