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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 September 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2021”

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Richard Leonard

The roll call of NHS boards that are in a very tricky financial position includes small boards such as NHS Orkney but also NHS Fife, NHS Ayrshire and Arran, NHS Borders, NHS Dumfries and Galloway and NHS Highland, which I mentioned earlier. It is a substantial issue.

You mentioned that the funding formula was being reviewed, presumably to appreciate whether funds are being distributed as effectively, efficiently and equally as they ought to be. The committee’s understanding is that dates have not been set for the completion or implementation of the review. Are you any the wiser as to when there are likely to be changes, what those changes might be, what criteria are driving the review of the funding formula and, potentially, the allocation of funding between different territorial boards, as well as between different NHS tiers?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Scottish Environment Protection Agency”

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Richard Leonard

As I mentioned, Willie Coffey has a series of questions to ask.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Scottish Environment Protection Agency”

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much. David Pirie will be with us for the rest of the session, but on audio only.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Scottish Environment Protection Agency”

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Richard Leonard

Wow—that is quite a stark conclusion to draw, isn’t it?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Scottish Environment Protection Agency”

Meeting date: 17 March 2022

Richard Leonard

I am conscious of the fact that Roy Brannen is on the panel and that the Scottish Government’s role was mentioned in that question. Do you want to come in?

Public Audit Committee

“Planning for Skills”

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

Richard Leonard

Okay. Make your opening statement, director general.

Public Audit Committee

“Planning for Skills”

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

Richard Leonard

Whether they are errors or mistakes, they have been quite long-running errors and mistakes, have they not? That is why there are many aspects of the report that give the committee a good deal of concern.

I think that you said this earlier, Mr Griffin, but for the record could you confirm that you accept the recommendations and the action plan that are set out in the Audit Scotland report?

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

Richard Leonard

Good morning and welcome to the eighth meeting in 2022 of the Public Audit Committee. Before we begin, I remind the members, witnesses and staff who are present that social distancing rules apply in the committee room, and that they should wear face coverings when entering, leaving or moving around the room.

The first item on our agenda is a decision on whether to take items 3 and 4 in private. Do members agreed to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

“Planning for Skills”

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

Richard Leonard

Agenda item 2 is an evidence session on the report, “Planning for Skills”, which Audit Scotland produced earlier this year. I welcome our witnesses, who are all from the Scottish Government. Joining us in the room are Joe Griffin, director general, education and justice, Helena Gray, director, fair work, employability and skills, and Adam Reid, deputy director for skills. Helen Webster, deputy director for reform in the directorate for advanced learning and science, joins us remotely. Willie Coffey, committee member, also joins us remotely.

Director general, before I begin, I will remind us why we are here and reflect on the evidence that was presented to us in the evidence session with the Auditor General for Scotland on 10 February. In his opening statement, the Auditor General said:

“we have found that slow progress has been made since 2017, with anticipated benefits not being realised. The Scottish Government has not provided the necessary leadership or oversight for joint working between SDS and the SFC, and there has been insufficient clarity on what it wanted to achieve and on what success would look like. We also found that progress by SDS and the SFC was impeded by lack of agreement between the two organisations about what skills alignment would involve.”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 10 February 2022; c 2.]

This is a section 22 report, which is a serious report. Therefore, it is extremely disappointing that, only late yesterday afternoon, we received a very dense 30-page document, which, I understand, is the new framework agreement that is being put in place. Part of the story is about leadership and governance; for us, it is about democratic accountability.

I have to say that the very late arrival of an important document, which is entirely pertinent to this morning’s proceedings—a meeting that you have known about for quite some time—is, frankly, unacceptable. In my view, it compounds what is already quite a bad situation, and I hope that, this morning, we can address some of the fundamental criticisms that have been made over a failure that has gone on for five years.

Director general, I invite you to make an opening statement.

Public Audit Committee

“Planning for Skills”

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I will begin by asking you a question that we asked the Auditor General, which is on the opportunity cost of the failure to get a co-ordinated skills alignment strategy together. Has the Scottish Government made any assessment to determine the costs to the public purse and the opportunity costs that have been lost through the failure to progress the skills alignment strategy?